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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on the Ricci Decision by Brian Domenoski</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/30/thoughts-on-the-ricci-decision/#comment-13215</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Domenoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The critics of this test, such as Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg, have failed to identify a single SPECIFIC question on this test that was biased in any way. Yet, Ginsburg said the test was "flawed." So which question(s) were "flawed?" How were they "flawed?" Why were the alleged "flaws" only affecting Blacks and no one else (such as Hispanics and People with Disabilities)? And most importantly, where is the scientifically valid evidence to prove these "flaws" exist in this test?

The critics of the test have been unable to answer these questions. This leads to the logical conclusion that the critics of the test, including the Judges who voted against the majority SCOTUS opinion, are only interested in a political agenda, and not what is fair and certainly not what the US Constitution demands (protection of EVERYONE'S Civil Rights, even a white guy with a disability).
Did anyone find out how many hours were spent studying by the Blacks who took the test and compared that to the people who passed it? Maybe the answer to what happened is there,
OR it may be here:
 http://bit.ly/ZqD2c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The critics of this test, such as Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg, have failed to identify a single SPECIFIC question on this test that was biased in any way. Yet, Ginsburg said the test was &#8220;flawed.&#8221; So which question(s) were &#8220;flawed?&#8221; How were they &#8220;flawed?&#8221; Why were the alleged &#8220;flaws&#8221; only affecting Blacks and no one else (such as Hispanics and People with Disabilities)? And most importantly, where is the scientifically valid evidence to prove these &#8220;flaws&#8221; exist in this test?</p>
<p>The critics of the test have been unable to answer these questions. This leads to the logical conclusion that the critics of the test, including the Judges who voted against the majority SCOTUS opinion, are only interested in a political agenda, and not what is fair and certainly not what the US Constitution demands (protection of EVERYONE&#8217;S Civil Rights, even a white guy with a disability).<br />
Did anyone find out how many hours were spent studying by the Blacks who took the test and compared that to the people who passed it? Maybe the answer to what happened is there,<br />
OR it may be here:<br />
 <a href="http://bit.ly/ZqD2c" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ZqD2c</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Competency-based Selection Should Be in Your Toolkit by Ross Clennett</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/03/why-competency-based-selection-should-be-in-your-toolkit/#comment-13212</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Clennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another advantage of conducting a properly structured competency based behavioural interv is that it keeps the focus of the interview away from illegal hiring criteria eg age, gender, ethnic origin, disability, etc. 

Using competency based questions is the best way to protect yourself against claim, from unsuccessful candidates, that the questions in the interview, no matter how innocently asked, were designed to illegally exclude them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another advantage of conducting a properly structured competency based behavioural interv is that it keeps the focus of the interview away from illegal hiring criteria eg age, gender, ethnic origin, disability, etc. </p>
<p>Using competency based questions is the best way to protect yourself against claim, from unsuccessful candidates, that the questions in the interview, no matter how innocently asked, were designed to illegally exclude them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sourcing Trends and Predictions 2010 by Mike Gionta</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/26/sourcing-trends-and-predictions-2010/#comment-13211</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gionta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points!  Here is the "sleeper" at the end of Lou's post:  

"However, too many companies think this can all happen without the total involvement of the executive team and every single line manager. This has been the weakest link in the chain in the past, and my prediction for the future is that it will continue to be the problem."

... and that ladies and gentlemen is why they will continue to need us as recruiters.  We DRIVE the process and help them get out of their own way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points!  Here is the &#8220;sleeper&#8221; at the end of Lou&#8217;s post:  </p>
<p>&#8220;However, too many companies think this can all happen without the total involvement of the executive team and every single line manager. This has been the weakest link in the chain in the past, and my prediction for the future is that it will continue to be the problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; and that ladies and gentlemen is why they will continue to need us as recruiters.  We DRIVE the process and help them get out of their own way!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Competency-based Selection Should Be in Your Toolkit by Wendell Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/03/why-competency-based-selection-should-be-in-your-toolkit/#comment-13210</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding multiple interviewers: Dr Mike Campion (probably the foremost expert in BI) has shown that hirng decions tend to improve when multiple interviewers are involved providing they task the time to integrate and defend their data with each other. When this happens personal interviewer bias tends to decrease and candidate skills become more clear..

One last comment...every hiring decision is a gut decision..the only option we have is whether our gut is fully informed or not. Accurate job data and accurate candidate data leads to a "full" gut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding multiple interviewers: Dr Mike Campion (probably the foremost expert in BI) has shown that hirng decions tend to improve when multiple interviewers are involved providing they task the time to integrate and defend their data with each other. When this happens personal interviewer bias tends to decrease and candidate skills become more clear..</p>
<p>One last comment&#8230;every hiring decision is a gut decision..the only option we have is whether our gut is fully informed or not. Accurate job data and accurate candidate data leads to a &#8220;full&#8221; gut.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Competency-based Selection Should Be in Your Toolkit by Jim Cargill</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/03/why-competency-based-selection-should-be-in-your-toolkit/#comment-13209</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cargill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Thank you for an excellent primer on the subject of BI/competency interviews. As others have implied in their comments, there really is little point in interviewing if one does not interview for competencies matching the job description.

However, I somewhat disagree somewhat with your conclusions regarding the advantages of multiple interviewers, i.e. "the outcome ceases to be an individual manager’s choice and instead becomes a consensus". While that is true in a perfect world, or maybe even in one where all interviewers are incredibly adept and skilled in the processes involved, in the real world it is not nearly as reliable as one might think. Too often, the multiple interviewer process, especially when it involves larger groups (5+), becomes a way of shifting blame for bad hires, and diminishing the responsibility for the hiring decision, and ultimately the success of the hire, from the individual manager to the group. The "group" has far less to do with the development of the person hired than does the manager, yet the manager's responsibility for the hire is spread across the group. 

The process of involving larger numbers of people in the interview process creates a responsibility shift, and can reduce the "buy-in" of the individual manager for the new hire's success. I understand that your group must take very specific interview notes, and use those to justify scores and recommendations, and do applaud your attention to detail. However, if an interviewer really "likes" a candidate, it is a no-brainer to come up with valid comments from the interview to support the score or recommendation. Likewise for negative recommendations.

The greater the number of interviewers, the far greater the likelihood that personality differences, gamesmanship, politics, and prejudice in many possible forms will come into play. Again, specific comments and behaviors from the interview notes are not that difficult to come up with.

If one is going to use multiple interviewers, I recommend that it never exceed four participants, and that those participants be chosen very carefully. In addition to the position manager, the group should include that person's manager/director, an HR individual of at least supervisor standing, and a technical person, if that is appropriate. The position manager should also get 50% of the weight of the decision in their recommendation. That enforces that person's level of responsibility, and increases their buy-in to making the hire a success. It is essential that the person who is going to be responsible for developing the skills of the new hire have the greatest influence in the decision. Otherwise, the group is laying the groundwork for apathy in the development of the candidate.

Worst case group hiring scenario??? Inviting peer-level, or subordinate-level, employees to interview the candidate. No amount of oversight is going to be able to sort out the potential personality and prejudicial issues that come to bear in that process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Thank you for an excellent primer on the subject of BI/competency interviews. As others have implied in their comments, there really is little point in interviewing if one does not interview for competencies matching the job description.</p>
<p>However, I somewhat disagree somewhat with your conclusions regarding the advantages of multiple interviewers, i.e. &#8220;the outcome ceases to be an individual manager’s choice and instead becomes a consensus&#8221;. While that is true in a perfect world, or maybe even in one where all interviewers are incredibly adept and skilled in the processes involved, in the real world it is not nearly as reliable as one might think. Too often, the multiple interviewer process, especially when it involves larger groups (5+), becomes a way of shifting blame for bad hires, and diminishing the responsibility for the hiring decision, and ultimately the success of the hire, from the individual manager to the group. The &#8220;group&#8221; has far less to do with the development of the person hired than does the manager, yet the manager&#8217;s responsibility for the hire is spread across the group. </p>
<p>The process of involving larger numbers of people in the interview process creates a responsibility shift, and can reduce the &#8220;buy-in&#8221; of the individual manager for the new hire&#8217;s success. I understand that your group must take very specific interview notes, and use those to justify scores and recommendations, and do applaud your attention to detail. However, if an interviewer really &#8220;likes&#8221; a candidate, it is a no-brainer to come up with valid comments from the interview to support the score or recommendation. Likewise for negative recommendations.</p>
<p>The greater the number of interviewers, the far greater the likelihood that personality differences, gamesmanship, politics, and prejudice in many possible forms will come into play. Again, specific comments and behaviors from the interview notes are not that difficult to come up with.</p>
<p>If one is going to use multiple interviewers, I recommend that it never exceed four participants, and that those participants be chosen very carefully. In addition to the position manager, the group should include that person&#8217;s manager/director, an HR individual of at least supervisor standing, and a technical person, if that is appropriate. The position manager should also get 50% of the weight of the decision in their recommendation. That enforces that person&#8217;s level of responsibility, and increases their buy-in to making the hire a success. It is essential that the person who is going to be responsible for developing the skills of the new hire have the greatest influence in the decision. Otherwise, the group is laying the groundwork for apathy in the development of the candidate.</p>
<p>Worst case group hiring scenario??? Inviting peer-level, or subordinate-level, employees to interview the candidate. No amount of oversight is going to be able to sort out the potential personality and prejudicial issues that come to bear in that process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Competency-based Selection Should Be in Your Toolkit by Dr. Tom Janz</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/03/why-competency-based-selection-should-be-in-your-toolkit/#comment-13208</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Tom Janz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My congratulations on writing a clear, compelling article that sums up the practical benefits of competency-based selection. As one of the early researchers and authors (&lt;i&gt;Behavior Description Interviewing: New, Accurate, Cost Effective&lt;/i&gt;-- Prentice Hall, 1987) on the topic, it is great to see practitioners who "get it". 

Since then, two developments may interest you and ERE readers. First, we can now quantify the financial benefits that accrue from competency-based selection, even when it forms part of a multiple step hiring process. In multi-unit retail at the store manager level (where there are P&#38;L statements attached to each performer), the average annual performance savings per hire (the increase in store profit attributable to making competency-based hiring decisions) ranges from $18K for a national convenience store chain to $22K for a coffee store chain to $30K for a chain of tire stores. And these results were audited for the first two instances. We have developed Talent Curve simulation software to detail the proportions of: Stars, Achievers, Keepers, Problems, and Mistakes (the Talent Curve) that a given existing hiring process makes, and how that will be improved after implementing competency-based hiring. Then the well established Utility Equation transforms the talent curves into the performance value per hire. 

The second development concerns closing the gap between the promise of behavioral interviewing seen in the research and the reality once it gets practiced in the field. In research, most everyone asks the recommended behavioral questions, probes to re-direct candidates back on track when they stray, and takes good notes. When the doors close out in the field, I noticed in hundreds of closely observed behavioral interviews that if candidates responded with behavioral answers to the first two behavioral questions asked, the rest of the interview went smoothly and the interviewer had a solid set of performance examples to rate.  If candidates managed to slip away from the first one or two behavioral questions asked, they learned from that experience that they did not need to answer the tough questions with precise answers. They could slip away, providing an opinion or a generality instead of a clear performance example. In the field, interviewers often don’t take notes or take notes that are illegible even to themselves more than a hour after the interview. 

&lt;b&gt;Getting the interview started online shrinks the gap.&lt;/b&gt; An automated online coach ALWAYS goes for specific, detailed, behavioral answers. It scans initial answer drafts for phrases that suggest a non-behavioral answer, giving the candidate a chance to reveal the behavioral detail needed to evaluate the candidate’s performance. Beyond coaching candidates to stay cleanly on the behavioral track and capturing detailed, legible notes to each question, an online behavioral interview has two other major positives. First, with the benefit of conducting 150,000 online interviews over the past 5 years,  we have learned how to coax the specific answer details, a bit at a time, from candidates who would be intimidated by a simple question followed by a blank text box. Second, our online interview collects automated confirmations from credible third parties with no labor cost on the part of the employer. So this online alternative to starting competency-based interviews not only improves behavioral interviewing to make best practices more common in the field, it collects third party confirmation of the candidate’s performance claims.

It would be great if other readers to Timothy’s article and this comment added further enhancements to competency-based selection that they have come across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My congratulations on writing a clear, compelling article that sums up the practical benefits of competency-based selection. As one of the early researchers and authors (<i>Behavior Description Interviewing: New, Accurate, Cost Effective</i>&#8211; Prentice Hall, 1987) on the topic, it is great to see practitioners who &#8220;get it&#8221;. </p>
<p>Since then, two developments may interest you and ERE readers. First, we can now quantify the financial benefits that accrue from competency-based selection, even when it forms part of a multiple step hiring process. In multi-unit retail at the store manager level (where there are P&amp;L statements attached to each performer), the average annual performance savings per hire (the increase in store profit attributable to making competency-based hiring decisions) ranges from $18K for a national convenience store chain to $22K for a coffee store chain to $30K for a chain of tire stores. And these results were audited for the first two instances. We have developed Talent Curve simulation software to detail the proportions of: Stars, Achievers, Keepers, Problems, and Mistakes (the Talent Curve) that a given existing hiring process makes, and how that will be improved after implementing competency-based hiring. Then the well established Utility Equation transforms the talent curves into the performance value per hire. </p>
<p>The second development concerns closing the gap between the promise of behavioral interviewing seen in the research and the reality once it gets practiced in the field. In research, most everyone asks the recommended behavioral questions, probes to re-direct candidates back on track when they stray, and takes good notes. When the doors close out in the field, I noticed in hundreds of closely observed behavioral interviews that if candidates responded with behavioral answers to the first two behavioral questions asked, the rest of the interview went smoothly and the interviewer had a solid set of performance examples to rate.  If candidates managed to slip away from the first one or two behavioral questions asked, they learned from that experience that they did not need to answer the tough questions with precise answers. They could slip away, providing an opinion or a generality instead of a clear performance example. In the field, interviewers often don’t take notes or take notes that are illegible even to themselves more than a hour after the interview. </p>
<p><b>Getting the interview started online shrinks the gap.</b> An automated online coach ALWAYS goes for specific, detailed, behavioral answers. It scans initial answer drafts for phrases that suggest a non-behavioral answer, giving the candidate a chance to reveal the behavioral detail needed to evaluate the candidate’s performance. Beyond coaching candidates to stay cleanly on the behavioral track and capturing detailed, legible notes to each question, an online behavioral interview has two other major positives. First, with the benefit of conducting 150,000 online interviews over the past 5 years,  we have learned how to coax the specific answer details, a bit at a time, from candidates who would be intimidated by a simple question followed by a blank text box. Second, our online interview collects automated confirmations from credible third parties with no labor cost on the part of the employer. So this online alternative to starting competency-based interviews not only improves behavioral interviewing to make best practices more common in the field, it collects third party confirmation of the candidate’s performance claims.</p>
<p>It would be great if other readers to Timothy’s article and this comment added further enhancements to competency-based selection that they have come across.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Competency-based Selection Should Be in Your Toolkit by Tim Marston</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/03/why-competency-based-selection-should-be-in-your-toolkit/#comment-13207</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Marston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wendell, you are quite right. I don't see competency-based selection as an option, and I see BI as an essential part of that (other testing methods have value too, but I see BI as key). 

 I've seen that many organisations (surprisingly) do not apply a consistent structure like this (BI-based or not), partly due to a lack of awareness/understanding on their part. That's why I thought a broad introduction might prove useful to individuals who want to introduce objectivity to their hiring, but are unsure how to go about doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wendell, you are quite right. I don&#8217;t see competency-based selection as an option, and I see BI as an essential part of that (other testing methods have value too, but I see BI as key). </p>
<p> I&#8217;ve seen that many organisations (surprisingly) do not apply a consistent structure like this (BI-based or not), partly due to a lack of awareness/understanding on their part. That&#8217;s why I thought a broad introduction might prove useful to individuals who want to introduce objectivity to their hiring, but are unsure how to go about doing it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Competency-based Selection Should Be in Your Toolkit by Wendell Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/03/why-competency-based-selection-should-be-in-your-toolkit/#comment-13206</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this article, it sounds like competency-based selection is an option to traditional hiring. It really is not. Consider this: People need specific competencies to do a specific job, right? And, any old competency will NOT do...recruiters need to find people with specific competencies for specific jobs.

Once a recruiter knows what competencies fit the job, he or she has to test (aka interview) each applicant to determine whether the applicant has them. Behavioral interviewing is just one testing technique (i.e., BI is based on the theory if XYZ competency is required for the future job, a successful applicant should probably be able to tell stories about its successful application in past jobs).

So, I ask...if you are not interviewing (i.e., verbally testing) the applicant in the hopes of determining specific competencies for a specific job, then what exactly is the purpose of the interview?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this article, it sounds like competency-based selection is an option to traditional hiring. It really is not. Consider this: People need specific competencies to do a specific job, right? And, any old competency will NOT do&#8230;recruiters need to find people with specific competencies for specific jobs.</p>
<p>Once a recruiter knows what competencies fit the job, he or she has to test (aka interview) each applicant to determine whether the applicant has them. Behavioral interviewing is just one testing technique (i.e., BI is based on the theory if XYZ competency is required for the future job, a successful applicant should probably be able to tell stories about its successful application in past jobs).</p>
<p>So, I ask&#8230;if you are not interviewing (i.e., verbally testing) the applicant in the hopes of determining specific competencies for a specific job, then what exactly is the purpose of the interview?</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Bitter About Twitter by Clayton Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/24/im-bitter-about-twitter/#comment-13205</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 35 year old that has been interested in IT and gadgets since about 8years of age.  including owning my own IT business for 5 years and still developing web sites, etc in spare time I like to consider I'm up-to-date.  I am always interested in efficiency.  Twitter seems a waste of time to me.  I think it will be a fad.  I could be wrong.
Basically as a business owner (recruitment) I look at return on investment in terms of time, etc.  Most Social Media is a waste of time.  The only ones I have used to limited success is LinkedIN and Facebook.  With LinkedIN leading by far in potential.
I have spoken to many other savvy people in our game and people spending a HUGE amount of time trying to use these tools - they give the same feedback.  
After 15 years in Recruitment I have come to the conclusion that the traditional methods still win.  These tools can assist, but if I spent more than 30mins a day using them I would question my sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 35 year old that has been interested in IT and gadgets since about 8years of age.  including owning my own IT business for 5 years and still developing web sites, etc in spare time I like to consider I&#8217;m up-to-date.  I am always interested in efficiency.  Twitter seems a waste of time to me.  I think it will be a fad.  I could be wrong.<br />
Basically as a business owner (recruitment) I look at return on investment in terms of time, etc.  Most Social Media is a waste of time.  The only ones I have used to limited success is LinkedIN and Facebook.  With LinkedIN leading by far in potential.<br />
I have spoken to many other savvy people in our game and people spending a HUGE amount of time trying to use these tools - they give the same feedback.<br />
After 15 years in Recruitment I have come to the conclusion that the traditional methods still win.  These tools can assist, but if I spent more than 30mins a day using them I would question my sanity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sourcing Trends and Predictions 2010 by Bill Boorman</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/26/sourcing-trends-and-predictions-2010/#comment-13202</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Boorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought provoking piece, though not necessarily one that I totally agree with. I should point out that I neither work or own a job board, nor am I a staunch advocate. As an experienced consultant to the recruitment industry and trainer I observe it.
My thoughts are that it is true that there is a significant decline in ads on job boards. There are a few reasons for this. Firstly, there are not the jobs and secondly recruiters have learnt to search bulging data-bases before posting. This "look at the stock" approach is one I have been advocating for some time. The years of "post and hope" are passing as recruiters become more cost conscious. Equally, there has been a greater emergence of corporate recruiters who are skilled in searching from sources such as linked in. All of this has impacted on advertising spend.
I don't however see this as the end of the job board, far from it. What I have been observing is that like many businesses, job boards have had to review and change their offering to increase value. Initiatives I have heard of recently are making the boards far more responsive, offering filtering and search capability. In the UK most notably Guardian jobs have added a sourcing team to response handle and search the cv database, others I have heard of such as jobs Ireland are offering free job postings and generating revenue from the CV database, others are charging job seekers for an enhanced service and making it free for advertisers.
The advent of social media channels such as groups, blogs, hubs, twitter etc have again impacted, but I have noticed the boards getting much better at promoting themselves through these channels, and offering greater value by initiatives such as setting up their own industry groups on Li and utilizing Twitter to increase brand exposure and promote new job postings. The staff also seem to be far more attentive, and even the biggest names are being far more attentive in their approach to pricing.
2010 I believe will see the merge of the smaller niche brands in to the larger groups, offering a much wider range of services which will be a lot more interactive and offer greater value. As the market rises, so will the traffic in job boards. For me this will be the trend for 2010, with greater service and value for recruiters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought provoking piece, though not necessarily one that I totally agree with. I should point out that I neither work or own a job board, nor am I a staunch advocate. As an experienced consultant to the recruitment industry and trainer I observe it.<br />
My thoughts are that it is true that there is a significant decline in ads on job boards. There are a few reasons for this. Firstly, there are not the jobs and secondly recruiters have learnt to search bulging data-bases before posting. This &#8220;look at the stock&#8221; approach is one I have been advocating for some time. The years of &#8220;post and hope&#8221; are passing as recruiters become more cost conscious. Equally, there has been a greater emergence of corporate recruiters who are skilled in searching from sources such as linked in. All of this has impacted on advertising spend.<br />
I don&#8217;t however see this as the end of the job board, far from it. What I have been observing is that like many businesses, job boards have had to review and change their offering to increase value. Initiatives I have heard of recently are making the boards far more responsive, offering filtering and search capability. In the UK most notably Guardian jobs have added a sourcing team to response handle and search the cv database, others I have heard of such as jobs Ireland are offering free job postings and generating revenue from the CV database, others are charging job seekers for an enhanced service and making it free for advertisers.<br />
The advent of social media channels such as groups, blogs, hubs, twitter etc have again impacted, but I have noticed the boards getting much better at promoting themselves through these channels, and offering greater value by initiatives such as setting up their own industry groups on Li and utilizing Twitter to increase brand exposure and promote new job postings. The staff also seem to be far more attentive, and even the biggest names are being far more attentive in their approach to pricing.<br />
2010 I believe will see the merge of the smaller niche brands in to the larger groups, offering a much wider range of services which will be a lot more interactive and offer greater value. As the market rises, so will the traffic in job boards. For me this will be the trend for 2010, with greater service and value for recruiters.</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/02/gore-is-finally-telling-its-story/#comment-13201</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're excited to assist Gore with their interactive recruiting strategy - social media being one aspect of it.  

While the above comment mentions one basic/free aspect of social sharing of job content (which is on all elements of our client sites), we assist clients with overall social recruiting strategy/architecture which helps build talent targeted pipelines, content delivery, training, and end-to-end measurement of these programs through our recruiting dashboard.  

Truly enterprise strategy, versus throwing a bunch of "free stuff" online - which was suggested, and unfortunately what's done by most employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re excited to assist Gore with their interactive recruiting strategy - social media being one aspect of it.  </p>
<p>While the above comment mentions one basic/free aspect of social sharing of job content (which is on all elements of our client sites), we assist clients with overall social recruiting strategy/architecture which helps build talent targeted pipelines, content delivery, training, and end-to-end measurement of these programs through our recruiting dashboard.  </p>
<p>Truly enterprise strategy, versus throwing a bunch of &#8220;free stuff&#8221; online - which was suggested, and unfortunately what&#8217;s done by most employers.</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/02/gore-is-finally-telling-its-story/#comment-13199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Gorham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure how Jobs2Web does social media.  They took a free product and put it on their site.  You can get it for free as well.  It's called Tell a Friend.  You can get it here: http://tellafriend.socialtwist.com/index.jsp?fh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how Jobs2Web does social media.  They took a free product and put it on their site.  You can get it for free as well.  It&#8217;s called Tell a Friend.  You can get it here: <a href="http://tellafriend.socialtwist.com/index.jsp?fh" rel="nofollow">http://tellafriend.socialtwist.com/index.jsp?fh</a></p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/01/two-corporate-recruiting-trends/#comment-13198</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received an email direct to my Outlook that I thought was interesting and I wanted to share it with the group.  

A Senior Talent Acquisition Manager from a professional services firm asked "If my company's Executives have a low view of HR/Recruiting, how do I get meetings with them?"

I think this is a great question that probably deserves a more attention than a message board and, quite frankly, from the industry.  However, I will try to give everyone some suggestions:

1) The fact that this Recruitment Director understands his influencing level is the first step to fixing the problem.  I speak to far too many recruitment leaders that don't have a realistic view of their influence within their organization.  Most recruitment leaders think they have more influence than the really do...
2) Approach your organization executives and discuss your long term goals.  But, don’t sugarcoat your current situation.  Discuss with them that you are aware that there a long term disconnect with HR/Recruiting and their business/company.
3) Ask for help.  Tell your organizations executives your goals, and ask them how they would proceed if they were you.  
4) Bring examples, both good and bad…Discuss with them how by working together, the company can be more successful.  If you don’t have any from your current organization, look back to previous experience 
6) Develop your professional and business background.  Unfortunately, the recruitment industry is a narrow profession.  Unlike other business areas such as IT or Finance, many of the skills you develop in recruiting or knowledge you possess is not transferable to business.  In other words, read, network with other professionals outside of recruiting, or attend business conferences.
5) Use some of the tactics in my interview.  Especially, the dialogue on asking key questions to your companies executives such as “How can Talent Acquisition better align with your business goals for this year?”  “What metrics would do you think we can create to best measure our alignment?”

I would be very interesting in hearing everyone’s opinion on this topic.  Please feel free to post here, or email me directly. 

-Alan
alan@startfinder.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received an email direct to my Outlook that I thought was interesting and I wanted to share it with the group.  </p>
<p>A Senior Talent Acquisition Manager from a professional services firm asked &#8220;If my company&#8217;s Executives have a low view of HR/Recruiting, how do I get meetings with them?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a great question that probably deserves a more attention than a message board and, quite frankly, from the industry.  However, I will try to give everyone some suggestions:</p>
<p>1) The fact that this Recruitment Director understands his influencing level is the first step to fixing the problem.  I speak to far too many recruitment leaders that don&#8217;t have a realistic view of their influence within their organization.  Most recruitment leaders think they have more influence than the really do&#8230;<br />
2) Approach your organization executives and discuss your long term goals.  But, don’t sugarcoat your current situation.  Discuss with them that you are aware that there a long term disconnect with HR/Recruiting and their business/company.<br />
3) Ask for help.  Tell your organizations executives your goals, and ask them how they would proceed if they were you.<br />
4) Bring examples, both good and bad…Discuss with them how by working together, the company can be more successful.  If you don’t have any from your current organization, look back to previous experience<br />
6) Develop your professional and business background.  Unfortunately, the recruitment industry is a narrow profession.  Unlike other business areas such as IT or Finance, many of the skills you develop in recruiting or knowledge you possess is not transferable to business.  In other words, read, network with other professionals outside of recruiting, or attend business conferences.<br />
5) Use some of the tactics in my interview.  Especially, the dialogue on asking key questions to your companies executives such as “How can Talent Acquisition better align with your business goals for this year?”  “What metrics would do you think we can create to best measure our alignment?”</p>
<p>I would be very interesting in hearing everyone’s opinion on this topic.  Please feel free to post here, or email me directly. </p>
<p>-Alan<br />
<a href="mailto:alan@startfinder.com">alan@startfinder.com</a></p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/02/gore-is-finally-telling-its-story/#comment-13197</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, that's pretty cool that they are behind Elixir guitar strings! I use them but didn't know Gore was the inventor. 

The reason I'm commenting is I have a question - the articles mentions "significantly more print ads in Europe". What's behind that? Is there data to show print is more effective there than in the US? And/or is it more cost-effective there? 

Thanks for any insights....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, that&#8217;s pretty cool that they are behind Elixir guitar strings! I use them but didn&#8217;t know Gore was the inventor. </p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m commenting is I have a question - the articles mentions &#8220;significantly more print ads in Europe&#8221;. What&#8217;s behind that? Is there data to show print is more effective there than in the US? And/or is it more cost-effective there? </p>
<p>Thanks for any insights&#8230;.</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/26/sourcing-trends-and-predictions-2010/#comment-13196</link>
		<dc:creator>brian johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLING BLING BLING BLING BLING.... Jackpot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLING BLING BLING BLING BLING&#8230;. Jackpot!</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/29/old-vs-new-what-do-organizations-really-want-from-their-talent-acquisition-systems/#comment-13195</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Friemering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  As an ATS provider, I am interested in learning more about your research findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  As an ATS provider, I am interested in learning more about your research findings.</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/06/17/the-disney-look-and-more-mid-week-chatter/#comment-13193</link>
		<dc:creator>Gore is &#8220;Finally Telling its Story&#8221; : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it all the way through the Taleo system to the job descriptions, you may find them a little boring (something I said a year ago about Cellular South.) Says Pizzala: &#8220;Job descriptions will have a more brand-reflective look to them. This is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it all the way through the Taleo system to the job descriptions, you may find them a little boring (something I said a year ago about Cellular South.) Says Pizzala: &#8220;Job descriptions will have a more brand-reflective look to them. This is [...]</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/26/sourcing-trends-and-predictions-2010/#comment-13191</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Kannan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lou,

Extremely, glad to see what you have written here in the article. We @ JobsByRef.com had similar thoughts for quite sometime now and have actually gone in and implemented a service which takes care of pretty much most of the stuff you are talking about here. The good thing is companies are already using it and are seeing the benefits. We are very passionate about bringing a change to the recruitment industry, which has been kind of static for quite sometime now, with only marginal changes happening here and there. A unified and holistic approach is needed to bring a dramatic change to this whole process of hiring. Visit and check out the site at http://www.jobsbyref.com when you have time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou,</p>
<p>Extremely, glad to see what you have written here in the article. We @ JobsByRef.com had similar thoughts for quite sometime now and have actually gone in and implemented a service which takes care of pretty much most of the stuff you are talking about here. The good thing is companies are already using it and are seeing the benefits. We are very passionate about bringing a change to the recruitment industry, which has been kind of static for quite sometime now, with only marginal changes happening here and there. A unified and holistic approach is needed to bring a dramatic change to this whole process of hiring. Visit and check out the site at <a href="http://www.jobsbyref.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jobsbyref.com</a> when you have time.</p>
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		<link>http://www.ere.net/2007/02/13/time-to-hit-pause-on-video-resumes/#comment-13190</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Things We Hate About Video Resumes (as opposed to Video Interviews) &#124; interviewstudioblog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shortcomings of the current offerings include some mentioned by systematicHR and Raghav Singh, but the list is longer, and we might as well get some collaborative input on this [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Two Corporate Recruiting Trends by Alan Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/01/two-corporate-recruiting-trends/#comment-13189</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Good point regarding diversity....

I am not an expert on diversity recruiting.  However, I would suggest that you handle that challenge just was you would consult your internal customers, or how you manage diversity issues for other hard to find positions.  Does that answer your question?

-Alan
alan@startfinder.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Good point regarding diversity&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am not an expert on diversity recruiting.  However, I would suggest that you handle that challenge just was you would consult your internal customers, or how you manage diversity issues for other hard to find positions.  Does that answer your question?</p>
<p>-Alan<br />
<a href="mailto:alan@startfinder.com">alan@startfinder.com</a></p>
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