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		<title>By: 5 Impacts Of A Strong Employer Brand &#124; The Magnet Blog presented by Ongig</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] are Talent Acquisition experts who say that measuring CPH is silly, as it reduces your strategic impact on hiring. If all you are focused on is CPH, then this is [...]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Dr. John Sullivan banned cost of hire calculations when he was a chief talent officer because, as he writes, &#8220;cost per hire had the negative effect of causing our recruiters to shift their focus toward [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#171; Inspiration through Impact</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#171; Inspiration through Impact</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#124; iTAX &#8211; tax news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#124; ...» Talented HR &#124; Talented HR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#124; ...» Talented HR &#124; Talented HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate : STRATEGIES</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate : STRATEGIES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#124; Business Studies Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Hire the Perfect Candidate &#124; Business Studies Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Are You Still Only Measuring Cost-per-Hire? &#124; InsightSquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are You Still Only Measuring Cost-per-Hire? &#124; InsightSquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] into account the length of time it takes to fill the position and the quality of the hire.&#8221; ERE.net has a particularly scathing article about this metric as [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Joseph Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many who asked (and John replied well), “What to measure?”

Think of staffing as a business process with a yield to manage and the metrics emerge.
Here are a few that quickly come to mind:
Waste &amp; rework – 90 day voluntary turnover, offers rejected
Rejects &amp; defects – 90 day involuntary separations
Variation – range of productivity from best to worst of new hires
Cycle time – opportunity cost of vacancies (think line down in manufacturing terms)  
Cost to finished product – investment to achieve job proficiency (time and dollars)

In a poll recently conducted on a BLR webcast, 57% of respondents stated they did not measure and track 90 day turnover.  That is akin to manufacturing not reporting on waste.  That just does not happen in manufacturing, but in recruiting it is the norm.

88% of respondents stated they did not measure and report on new hire performance variation.  That is akin to manufacturing not reporting on quality variation.

There are much better metrics than CPH.  But data would suggest, HR practitioners have not adopted them….yet.

Here is a place to read more on some of these matters.
http://www.shakercg.com/blog/2012/04/lessons-from-lake-wobegon-and-quality-of-hire/

Thanks, and keep writing John
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many who asked (and John replied well), “What to measure?”</p>
<p>Think of staffing as a business process with a yield to manage and the metrics emerge.<br />
Here are a few that quickly come to mind:<br />
Waste &amp; rework – 90 day voluntary turnover, offers rejected<br />
Rejects &amp; defects – 90 day involuntary separations<br />
Variation – range of productivity from best to worst of new hires<br />
Cycle time – opportunity cost of vacancies (think line down in manufacturing terms)<br />
Cost to finished product – investment to achieve job proficiency (time and dollars)</p>
<p>In a poll recently conducted on a BLR webcast, 57% of respondents stated they did not measure and track 90 day turnover.  That is akin to manufacturing not reporting on waste.  That just does not happen in manufacturing, but in recruiting it is the norm.</p>
<p>88% of respondents stated they did not measure and report on new hire performance variation.  That is akin to manufacturing not reporting on quality variation.</p>
<p>There are much better metrics than CPH.  But data would suggest, HR practitioners have not adopted them….yet.</p>
<p>Here is a place to read more on some of these matters.<br />
<a href="http://www.shakercg.com/blog/2012/04/lessons-from-lake-wobegon-and-quality-of-hire/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shakercg.com/blog/2012/04/lessons-from-lake-wobegon-and-quality-of-hire/</a></p>
<p>Thanks, and keep writing John<br />
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		<title>By: Ian Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, Sorry to come late to the party, but I am glad that there is someone else out there who feels the same as I do about CPH.
There is no more direct link between good recruiting and cheap  recruiting than there is between good recruiting and expensive  recruiting. There are good and bad cheap recruiters, and good and bad expensive ones.
The problem with the fixation on CPH is that it detracts from the more important strategic debate around quality of hire and ROI. Cost is a part of this, of course, but it has been too easy to argue that, even if you don&#039;t know what the return on your recruitment investment is, if you lower the cost the return must be going up.
Even if the metrics currently used to measure ROI are not perfect or universally accepted, this is where the debate and development should lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Sorry to come late to the party, but I am glad that there is someone else out there who feels the same as I do about CPH.<br />
There is no more direct link between good recruiting and cheap  recruiting than there is between good recruiting and expensive  recruiting. There are good and bad cheap recruiters, and good and bad expensive ones.<br />
The problem with the fixation on CPH is that it detracts from the more important strategic debate around quality of hire and ROI. Cost is a part of this, of course, but it has been too easy to argue that, even if you don&#8217;t know what the return on your recruitment investment is, if you lower the cost the return must be going up.<br />
Even if the metrics currently used to measure ROI are not perfect or universally accepted, this is where the debate and development should lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Is Measuring Cost Per Hire Silly? More of a necessary evil perhaps… @ RPO and Talent Management Blog by Ochre House &#124; Ochre Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Measuring Cost Per Hire Silly? More of a necessary evil perhaps… @ RPO and Talent Management Blog by Ochre House &#124; Ochre Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] lot of debate has been generated by an excellent recent article by Dr. John Sullivan on how it is self-defeating to measure Cost Per Hire. I couldn’t help agreeing but wondered how [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Final Exam-Blog &#171; Alternate hiring practices in government</title>
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		<dc:creator>Final Exam-Blog &#171; Alternate hiring practices in government</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Morgan Hoogvelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan Hoogvelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 03:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t agree more or have said it better myself. The metric I focus on is internal client satisfaction. If my hiring managers are more than satisfied with the quality of hire, then we are doing our jobs. Simple focusing on cost and keeping it as low as we can does not provide us too much value or get our talent levels where we would like them to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more or have said it better myself. The metric I focus on is internal client satisfaction. If my hiring managers are more than satisfied with the quality of hire, then we are doing our jobs. Simple focusing on cost and keeping it as low as we can does not provide us too much value or get our talent levels where we would like them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m troubled by this.  The logical implication is that in a cost/benefit analysis, transaction cost is irrelevant or merely a distraction, at best.  Transaction costs are a price barrier and always will be.  They also tend to be highly visible; sort of the low hanging fruit for bean-counters.  Although it&#039;s unsettling to think of human beings as such, there are workers who are content functioning as commodities.  There are only so many LeBrons and only so many Mannings to go around.  Pretty soon, a substitution has to be considered.  Quality will yield to scarcity.  ROI will become a distant second to transaction burdens.
(Respectfully)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m troubled by this.  The logical implication is that in a cost/benefit analysis, transaction cost is irrelevant or merely a distraction, at best.  Transaction costs are a price barrier and always will be.  They also tend to be highly visible; sort of the low hanging fruit for bean-counters.  Although it&#8217;s unsettling to think of human beings as such, there are workers who are content functioning as commodities.  There are only so many LeBrons and only so many Mannings to go around.  Pretty soon, a substitution has to be considered.  Quality will yield to scarcity.  ROI will become a distant second to transaction burdens.<br />
(Respectfully)</p>
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		<title>By: paul humphreys</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul humphreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strongly disagree with this article, although I feel there is value in having this discussion.
There are some glaringly incorrect assumptions here.

Firstly, we shouldn&#039;t knock the idea and reasons behind measuring CPH as this article seeks to do.  Recruitment doesn&#039;t exist in a vacuum and we should always be mindful of cost.  Businesses do not exist to support recruitment functions, rather the other way around.  
Businesses must generate profits, and high costs in recruitment negatively effect this.  Fact.  Ergo it is reasonable to minimise cost (assuming a satisfactory level of recruitment is achieved).  Measuring CPH is not &quot;the single most damaging&quot; exercise in recruitment. Of course it isn&#039;t.  

Secondly, you say the recruitment fee of LeBron James is irrelevant.  No it is not.  I have no idea who LeBron is (I hope it&#039;s not a real name), but the cost of a player is critical, otherwise they would cost $100billion, OR $200b.  Heck why not a Trillion Dollars?  Of course the cost is relevant.  The recruitment is not the end goal, the club making a profit and staying in business is the end goal.  

Third, you say Apple employees generate over $2.2m revenue each.  NO THEY DO NOT.  They generate that on average.  But the junior intern is not adding $2m of value to the business.  Of course not. Whereas the guy who designed the iPod is generating far more value.  It&#039;s an average.  Therefore if some employees are generating a much more modest return on investment then the costs associated with hiring them become incredibly relevant.

Lastly, this article assumes measuring quality of hire is possible, even easy.  It is not.  It is so completely subjective as to be almost meaningless.

I appreciate that this article means well, and the point it should make is that CPH is not the only metric worth measuring.  But in making this point I&#039;m afraid you have made some really crazy statements John that need to be addressed.
Recruitment can not and does not exist in a bubble where it is immune to economics.
The cost per hire is a very important metric, and should be studied and reported on.  It is the interpretation of this that is sometimes mis-handled, but it remains crucial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongly disagree with this article, although I feel there is value in having this discussion.<br />
There are some glaringly incorrect assumptions here.</p>
<p>Firstly, we shouldn&#8217;t knock the idea and reasons behind measuring CPH as this article seeks to do.  Recruitment doesn&#8217;t exist in a vacuum and we should always be mindful of cost.  Businesses do not exist to support recruitment functions, rather the other way around.<br />
Businesses must generate profits, and high costs in recruitment negatively effect this.  Fact.  Ergo it is reasonable to minimise cost (assuming a satisfactory level of recruitment is achieved).  Measuring CPH is not &#8220;the single most damaging&#8221; exercise in recruitment. Of course it isn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Secondly, you say the recruitment fee of LeBron James is irrelevant.  No it is not.  I have no idea who LeBron is (I hope it&#8217;s not a real name), but the cost of a player is critical, otherwise they would cost $100billion, OR $200b.  Heck why not a Trillion Dollars?  Of course the cost is relevant.  The recruitment is not the end goal, the club making a profit and staying in business is the end goal.  </p>
<p>Third, you say Apple employees generate over $2.2m revenue each.  NO THEY DO NOT.  They generate that on average.  But the junior intern is not adding $2m of value to the business.  Of course not. Whereas the guy who designed the iPod is generating far more value.  It&#8217;s an average.  Therefore if some employees are generating a much more modest return on investment then the costs associated with hiring them become incredibly relevant.</p>
<p>Lastly, this article assumes measuring quality of hire is possible, even easy.  It is not.  It is so completely subjective as to be almost meaningless.</p>
<p>I appreciate that this article means well, and the point it should make is that CPH is not the only metric worth measuring.  But in making this point I&#8217;m afraid you have made some really crazy statements John that need to be addressed.<br />
Recruitment can not and does not exist in a bubble where it is immune to economics.<br />
The cost per hire is a very important metric, and should be studied and reported on.  It is the interpretation of this that is sometimes mis-handled, but it remains crucial.</p>
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		<title>By: davis howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>davis howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HI Lori,

First, I would like to know how you are measuring cost of hires.

Try factoring the cost of NOT filling a position as well as the cost of a not so good hire. I will make the presumption that as a financially focused organization, you look at the direct costs associated with a hire-i.e recruiting fees, employee (including management time) time taken to do the interviews and of course the the HR time taken to onboard the new employee. 

My experience (10+ years in the recruiting industry) says that this approach usually entails driving down the recruiting fee structure and increasing the warranty period with the recruiters you FINALLY sign. Most likely, not the best recruiters you can retain.

Try this. On a $2MM quota in software, each week the position is open costs the company about $30,800 in GP. On hardware, figure about $20,000 GP. Put those numbers into your cost of hire and see what the impact is to the company bottom line.

Davis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Lori,</p>
<p>First, I would like to know how you are measuring cost of hires.</p>
<p>Try factoring the cost of NOT filling a position as well as the cost of a not so good hire. I will make the presumption that as a financially focused organization, you look at the direct costs associated with a hire-i.e recruiting fees, employee (including management time) time taken to do the interviews and of course the the HR time taken to onboard the new employee. </p>
<p>My experience (10+ years in the recruiting industry) says that this approach usually entails driving down the recruiting fee structure and increasing the warranty period with the recruiters you FINALLY sign. Most likely, not the best recruiters you can retain.</p>
<p>Try this. On a $2MM quota in software, each week the position is open costs the company about $30,800 in GP. On hardware, figure about $20,000 GP. Put those numbers into your cost of hire and see what the impact is to the company bottom line.</p>
<p>Davis</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Law</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2012/08/06/the-silliness-of-measuring-cost-per-hire-and-how-it-can-reduce-your-strategic-impact/comment-page-1/#comment-66903</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how does a financially focused organization overcome this?  We&#039;ve been meausring cost per hire and average # of hires by recruiters for years.  We do keep track of ROI of recruiting tools we are spending money on in order to determine if we should continue with the services or switch to better recruiting tools that yeild better results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how does a financially focused organization overcome this?  We&#8217;ve been meausring cost per hire and average # of hires by recruiters for years.  We do keep track of ROI of recruiting tools we are spending money on in order to determine if we should continue with the services or switch to better recruiting tools that yeild better results.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McIntosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to go against the stream and disagree with this article. Not every aspect of it but rather directionally disagree. I have been in a role which requires me to directly interface with the CEO, CFO, COO and other key Executives for the last 10 years. If you ask them what are the important key metrics in Recruiting they will tell you items that are derivatives of: 

Cost
Speed
Quality

On the cost side it comes down to two simple measurements.

(1) Operating Income = Since Recruiting is a core services function and is a cost center, then how can you keep the OI optimal given it directly impacts margin/profit of the company.

(2) Lost Opportunity = How much money (Revenue) are we leaving on the table as a company if a position is left open for a period of time.

In both instances Cost Per Hire or any or metric and analysis that allows us (Recruiting) and the business to understand where are the opportunities to lower the cost to serve or optimize the ROI by sourcing channel if key. This is because it helps: 

a)Ensures you are running an optimal recruiting organization in support of the business needs.
b)Helps frame a conversation with the business based on facts/data which can help level set expectations or help change behaviors to improve in these areas.

While I agree that you should not make the focus all about cost, to not looking at it would be a crazy as someone opening a business and expecting to make a profit if the outgoing is more than the incoming.  

The third measurement that I did not include above given the metric would be PPH (Profitability Per Hire) vs CPH and significantly impacts profitability is Quality………but that is an article in its own right and has been written about philosophically by many before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to go against the stream and disagree with this article. Not every aspect of it but rather directionally disagree. I have been in a role which requires me to directly interface with the CEO, CFO, COO and other key Executives for the last 10 years. If you ask them what are the important key metrics in Recruiting they will tell you items that are derivatives of: </p>
<p>Cost<br />
Speed<br />
Quality</p>
<p>On the cost side it comes down to two simple measurements.</p>
<p>(1) Operating Income = Since Recruiting is a core services function and is a cost center, then how can you keep the OI optimal given it directly impacts margin/profit of the company.</p>
<p>(2) Lost Opportunity = How much money (Revenue) are we leaving on the table as a company if a position is left open for a period of time.</p>
<p>In both instances Cost Per Hire or any or metric and analysis that allows us (Recruiting) and the business to understand where are the opportunities to lower the cost to serve or optimize the ROI by sourcing channel if key. This is because it helps: </p>
<p>a)Ensures you are running an optimal recruiting organization in support of the business needs.<br />
b)Helps frame a conversation with the business based on facts/data which can help level set expectations or help change behaviors to improve in these areas.</p>
<p>While I agree that you should not make the focus all about cost, to not looking at it would be a crazy as someone opening a business and expecting to make a profit if the outgoing is more than the incoming.  </p>
<p>The third measurement that I did not include above given the metric would be PPH (Profitability Per Hire) vs CPH and significantly impacts profitability is Quality………but that is an article in its own right and has been written about philosophically by many before.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So many companies make the claim that their people is what makes their company so special.   In fact, they go as far as saying it gives them their competitive advantage.  I&#039;m sure you have even heard many of these same companies say their people are their biggest assets.   However, when it comes to sourcing, attracting, recruiting and retaining their people - the hard costs are always measured as an expense but they never look at the return on their investment.    If people are truly an asset to their company, the dollars spent for recruiting should certainly be viewed as an investment and measured as such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many companies make the claim that their people is what makes their company so special.   In fact, they go as far as saying it gives them their competitive advantage.  I&#8217;m sure you have even heard many of these same companies say their people are their biggest assets.   However, when it comes to sourcing, attracting, recruiting and retaining their people &#8211; the hard costs are always measured as an expense but they never look at the return on their investment.    If people are truly an asset to their company, the dollars spent for recruiting should certainly be viewed as an investment and measured as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Goodman</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2012/08/06/the-silliness-of-measuring-cost-per-hire-and-how-it-can-reduce-your-strategic-impact/comment-page-1/#comment-66892</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with this in part. I work for an advertising agency so looking at the marketing CPH is the first step to getting clients to think about what really works vs. what they&#039;ve always done. We don&#039;t just look at CPH however, we look at a number of metrics
application to hire ratio
rejected applications
applications rejected at the first screening stages
offers made

the idea is to get clients looking at the marketing activity that drives the best quality applications with the best ROI and the LEAST applications. then we can look to re-invest the money we save into building the employer brand... which should make sourcing the best talent easier

we&#039;d love to be able to link this to deeper ROI however a lot of companies are still using their ATS drop down info to analyse marketing and sourcing effectiveness, which is not an accurate measure of what messages and media candidates have been influenced by on their decision journey. CPH is an useful first step to help make the whole recruitment process more accountable.

it should however evolve on from just measuring CPH; the candidates decision journey is complex so, unfortunately(!), the measurement method will need to be complex as well]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this in part. I work for an advertising agency so looking at the marketing CPH is the first step to getting clients to think about what really works vs. what they&#8217;ve always done. We don&#8217;t just look at CPH however, we look at a number of metrics<br />
application to hire ratio<br />
rejected applications<br />
applications rejected at the first screening stages<br />
offers made</p>
<p>the idea is to get clients looking at the marketing activity that drives the best quality applications with the best ROI and the LEAST applications. then we can look to re-invest the money we save into building the employer brand&#8230; which should make sourcing the best talent easier</p>
<p>we&#8217;d love to be able to link this to deeper ROI however a lot of companies are still using their ATS drop down info to analyse marketing and sourcing effectiveness, which is not an accurate measure of what messages and media candidates have been influenced by on their decision journey. CPH is an useful first step to help make the whole recruitment process more accountable.</p>
<p>it should however evolve on from just measuring CPH; the candidates decision journey is complex so, unfortunately(!), the measurement method will need to be complex as well</p>
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