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		<title>By: How the Recruiting Career is Evolving &#124; Professional Selection</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the Recruiting Career is Evolving &#124; Professional Selection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lou Adler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jennifer - if sourcers are calling passive candidates, convincing them to evaluate new opportunities, overcoming concerns, and/or networking with them getting 2-3 quality referrals per call, then they&#039;re doing what I see as necessary. This is no theory, this is what you need to do to max your metrics. If your &quot;account managers&quot; aren&#039;t recruiting, assessing, networking, and closing, they&#039;re missing a tremendous opportunity.

So if as stated above, our differences might be definitional. The whole focus of the original article was targeting passive candidates. In my mind the heavy lifting comes at first contact - on the phone - convincing someone who is not looking to a least seriously consider your opportunity, and as  minimum, plus get 2-3 referrals on every call of pre-qualified candidates. Since 83% of the professional employment market is passive, to me this is where all of the action is. Spending time on Boolean is not necessary to do this - the 5 steps in the article are all that&#039;s necessary to be great a finding great people, recruiting them, and getting them hired. 

This however is not to say that two people shouldn&#039;t be doing this work. I work closely with my researchers/sourcers on searches I conduct, making sure we both support each other. As the recruiter/account manager I track referrals per call, and cold calls vs. warm calls. I also make sure the sourcer knows the job inside/out, becomes an SME in the industry and company, and knows how to convert a job into a career during the first five minutes of the first call. We usually can develop a list of potential leads and nodes in 1-2 hours using LinkedIn Recruiter. Then we&#039;re off to the races. For every person sent to me, I network with the prospect and send my warm, pre-qualified referrals to my sourcer to make the initial connect. Our warm to cold call target metric is 4:1. A warm call is returned 80-90% of the time, and since they&#039;re already pre-qualified 30-40% of the 2nd level calls results in a worthy prospect to send to the HM. This is the process we use - without a pipeline - to be able to send 3-4 prospects for the HM to conduct an exploratory conversation within a week from the starting gate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jennifer &#8211; if sourcers are calling passive candidates, convincing them to evaluate new opportunities, overcoming concerns, and/or networking with them getting 2-3 quality referrals per call, then they&#8217;re doing what I see as necessary. This is no theory, this is what you need to do to max your metrics. If your &#8220;account managers&#8221; aren&#8217;t recruiting, assessing, networking, and closing, they&#8217;re missing a tremendous opportunity.</p>
<p>So if as stated above, our differences might be definitional. The whole focus of the original article was targeting passive candidates. In my mind the heavy lifting comes at first contact &#8211; on the phone &#8211; convincing someone who is not looking to a least seriously consider your opportunity, and as  minimum, plus get 2-3 referrals on every call of pre-qualified candidates. Since 83% of the professional employment market is passive, to me this is where all of the action is. Spending time on Boolean is not necessary to do this &#8211; the 5 steps in the article are all that&#8217;s necessary to be great a finding great people, recruiting them, and getting them hired. </p>
<p>This however is not to say that two people shouldn&#8217;t be doing this work. I work closely with my researchers/sourcers on searches I conduct, making sure we both support each other. As the recruiter/account manager I track referrals per call, and cold calls vs. warm calls. I also make sure the sourcer knows the job inside/out, becomes an SME in the industry and company, and knows how to convert a job into a career during the first five minutes of the first call. We usually can develop a list of potential leads and nodes in 1-2 hours using LinkedIn Recruiter. Then we&#8217;re off to the races. For every person sent to me, I network with the prospect and send my warm, pre-qualified referrals to my sourcer to make the initial connect. Our warm to cold call target metric is 4:1. A warm call is returned 80-90% of the time, and since they&#8217;re already pre-qualified 30-40% of the 2nd level calls results in a worthy prospect to send to the HM. This is the process we use &#8211; without a pipeline &#8211; to be able to send 3-4 prospects for the HM to conduct an exploratory conversation within a week from the starting gate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lou - What are you basing your theory on of the industry moving to a merging of the functions? I can develop a long list of companies from T-Mobile, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, large RPO&#039;s etc to startups such as Zulily, Tagged and more that are actively growing their sourcing teams and developing the divided model.  The reason being exactly what I stated previously; the recruiters are acting more and more as account managers and don&#039;t have the bandwidth to be sourcing, connecting and calling.   

As for the LinkedIn comment, I&#039;m going to assume that you simply skimmed my comment and felt you had a witty analogy to throw out even though it was irrelevant.  I never said that sourcers don&#039;t use LinkedIn or LinkedIn Recruiter. I simply said not all have the luxury of a full paid Recruiter account so they must know Boolean to circumvent the system and still access the talent.  There are many ways to be effective and efficient with a simple Free account.  

As an FYI to you - why would a node have to be on LinkedIn to be classified as that.  Sticking with your own example are saying that if the headmaster in Ireland is not on LinkedIn he wouldn&#039;t be able to connect you with the math instructor? That is absurd. There are many other ways to find a node and a true sourcer can do just that using all the tools in their toolbox. Plus they have more time to produce greater results without all the client meetings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lou &#8211; What are you basing your theory on of the industry moving to a merging of the functions? I can develop a long list of companies from T-Mobile, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, large RPO&#8217;s etc to startups such as Zulily, Tagged and more that are actively growing their sourcing teams and developing the divided model.  The reason being exactly what I stated previously; the recruiters are acting more and more as account managers and don&#8217;t have the bandwidth to be sourcing, connecting and calling.   </p>
<p>As for the LinkedIn comment, I&#8217;m going to assume that you simply skimmed my comment and felt you had a witty analogy to throw out even though it was irrelevant.  I never said that sourcers don&#8217;t use LinkedIn or LinkedIn Recruiter. I simply said not all have the luxury of a full paid Recruiter account so they must know Boolean to circumvent the system and still access the talent.  There are many ways to be effective and efficient with a simple Free account.  </p>
<p>As an FYI to you &#8211; why would a node have to be on LinkedIn to be classified as that.  Sticking with your own example are saying that if the headmaster in Ireland is not on LinkedIn he wouldn&#8217;t be able to connect you with the math instructor? That is absurd. There are many other ways to find a node and a true sourcer can do just that using all the tools in their toolbox. Plus they have more time to produce greater results without all the client meetings.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Adler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Adler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jennifer - actually the industry is moving away from separating sourcing and recruiting into the merging of the two. I&#039;ll send my best networkers armed with a phone and LinkedIn Recruiter against any pure independent sourcer and win hands-down. If fact, we&#039;ll not only find better prospects but they&#039;ll be interested and qualified in meeting with the hiring manager in 72 hours from the starting gun. And this is without any pipeline. 

To even imply that a sourcer wouldn&#039;t use the latest tools like LinkedIn Recruiter sounds pretty dinosaurish to me. It&#039;s like a carpenter saying he/she still uses a handsaw. When you apply the trifecta of metrics as guidelines there&#039;s no contest who will win. The metrics - quality of hire, time to fill and cost per hire. 

FYI - by definition, to be a node they have to be a LinkedIn. And if on average everyone of the 160mm people now on LinkedIn is connected to only 50 people you can get to everyone in the US who&#039;s 20 years old by one degree of separation 10x over, even if these connections aren&#039;t on Linked. To get their name all you have to do is call the node and ask. Then if you pre-qualify the person, you&#039;ll only have to call people who not only will call you back, but they&#039;re also qualified! What a hoot -]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jennifer &#8211; actually the industry is moving away from separating sourcing and recruiting into the merging of the two. I&#8217;ll send my best networkers armed with a phone and LinkedIn Recruiter against any pure independent sourcer and win hands-down. If fact, we&#8217;ll not only find better prospects but they&#8217;ll be interested and qualified in meeting with the hiring manager in 72 hours from the starting gun. And this is without any pipeline. </p>
<p>To even imply that a sourcer wouldn&#8217;t use the latest tools like LinkedIn Recruiter sounds pretty dinosaurish to me. It&#8217;s like a carpenter saying he/she still uses a handsaw. When you apply the trifecta of metrics as guidelines there&#8217;s no contest who will win. The metrics &#8211; quality of hire, time to fill and cost per hire. </p>
<p>FYI &#8211; by definition, to be a node they have to be a LinkedIn. And if on average everyone of the 160mm people now on LinkedIn is connected to only 50 people you can get to everyone in the US who&#8217;s 20 years old by one degree of separation 10x over, even if these connections aren&#8217;t on Linked. To get their name all you have to do is call the node and ask. Then if you pre-qualify the person, you&#8217;ll only have to call people who not only will call you back, but they&#8217;re also qualified! What a hoot -</p>
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		<title>By: HR Blogposts der Woche 22/2012 &#124; HR Software Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>HR Blogposts der Woche 22/2012 &#124; HR Software Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] einem Kandidaten zu beschäftigen und ihn oder sie genauer kennen zulernen. Daher sollte man laut ERE die beiden Bereiche kombinieren. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] einem Kandidaten zu beschäftigen und ihn oder sie genauer kennen zulernen. Daher sollte man laut ERE die beiden Bereiche kombinieren. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 5 Best Recruitment Marketing Articles of the Week 5.26.12 to 6.1.12 &#171; SmashFly Recruitment Marketing Technology Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 Best Recruitment Marketing Articles of the Week 5.26.12 to 6.1.12 &#171; SmashFly Recruitment Marketing Technology Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A Tale of Two Cities: The Merging of Sourcing and Recruiting by Lou Adler (@ERE_net) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: week recap and link roundup &#124; Scintillating Simplicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>week recap and link roundup &#124; Scintillating Simplicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] For the recruiters out there: A Tale of Two Cities- The Merging of Sourcing and Recruiting. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For the recruiters out there: A Tale of Two Cities- The Merging of Sourcing and Recruiting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Bowen</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2012/05/31/a-tale-of-two-cities-the-merging-of-sourcing-and-recruiting/comment-page-1/#comment-64630</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lou – While you give some good pointers such as the 360 work chart, I find this article a bit dated.  The industry is moving towards separated functions of sourcing and recruiting.  While having the skills to do full-cycle recruiting is a bonus for a professional, in reality it is more productive and efficient to break them out.  

You make is seem as though sourcing = name generation.  That is an extremely narrow view of what skilled sourcers do, they are strategic researchers who know how to uncover the elusive “passive” talent that every hiring manager seems to want.  There is a broader skill set they tap into such as competitive intelligence research, pipelining, social recruiting, building talent communities, sourcing large talent pools for events etc.

Additionally, in corporate environments recruiters typically act as “account managers” and much of their time is monopolized in meetings with their clients (the hiring manager), presenting offers and closing candidates and in general managing the reqs.  This doesn’t leave much time for them to proactively source or build pipelines.  In these cases a sourcer is able to become the SME on the industry, develop and execute a strategy while continually building relationships and pipelines.

Also, sourcers must be more fluent in Boolean than you are portraying as not everyone has the luxury of a LinkedIn Recruiter account at $500+ a month and not every candidate or “node” is on LinkedIn. Therefore a sourcer has to know how to find the (large) remaining professional population through whatever means necessary including Boolean, competitor research and phone sourcing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lou – While you give some good pointers such as the 360 work chart, I find this article a bit dated.  The industry is moving towards separated functions of sourcing and recruiting.  While having the skills to do full-cycle recruiting is a bonus for a professional, in reality it is more productive and efficient to break them out.  </p>
<p>You make is seem as though sourcing = name generation.  That is an extremely narrow view of what skilled sourcers do, they are strategic researchers who know how to uncover the elusive “passive” talent that every hiring manager seems to want.  There is a broader skill set they tap into such as competitive intelligence research, pipelining, social recruiting, building talent communities, sourcing large talent pools for events etc.</p>
<p>Additionally, in corporate environments recruiters typically act as “account managers” and much of their time is monopolized in meetings with their clients (the hiring manager), presenting offers and closing candidates and in general managing the reqs.  This doesn’t leave much time for them to proactively source or build pipelines.  In these cases a sourcer is able to become the SME on the industry, develop and execute a strategy while continually building relationships and pipelines.</p>
<p>Also, sourcers must be more fluent in Boolean than you are portraying as not everyone has the luxury of a LinkedIn Recruiter account at $500+ a month and not every candidate or “node” is on LinkedIn. Therefore a sourcer has to know how to find the (large) remaining professional population through whatever means necessary including Boolean, competitor research and phone sourcing.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2012/05/31/a-tale-of-two-cities-the-merging-of-sourcing-and-recruiting/comment-page-1/#comment-64619</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Lou. As Bill said: &quot;As the art of finding candidates gets easier and easier, recruiters will become more consultants and counselors.&quot; The vast majority of candidates can be found by outsourced telephone/internet sourcers for $6.25/hr or so like the folks I use, and the ones that can&#039;t be found like this can be outsourced to Maureen or Irina for $40 or so/name.

Cheers,

Keith
keithsrj@sbcglobal.net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lou. As Bill said: &#8220;As the art of finding candidates gets easier and easier, recruiters will become more consultants and counselors.&#8221; The vast majority of candidates can be found by outsourced telephone/internet sourcers for $6.25/hr or so like the folks I use, and the ones that can&#8217;t be found like this can be outsourced to Maureen or Irina for $40 or so/name.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Keith<br />
<a href="mailto:keithsrj@sbcglobal.net">keithsrj@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lou Adler The Merging of Sourcing and Recruiting</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2012/05/31/a-tale-of-two-cities-the-merging-of-sourcing-and-recruiting/comment-page-1/#comment-64613</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Adler The Merging of Sourcing and Recruiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness&#8230;  – Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities&#8221;   Of course, Dickens was referring to sourcing and recruiting circa 2012. What Dickens was really saying is that with the emergence of LinkedIn and related networking tools, sourcing should not be split apart from the full-cycle recruiting process.  (&#8230;read more) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness&#8230;  – Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities&#8221;   Of course, Dickens was referring to sourcing and recruiting circa 2012. What Dickens was really saying is that with the emergence of LinkedIn and related networking tools, sourcing should not be split apart from the full-cycle recruiting process.  (&#8230;read more) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 12:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good practical advice Lou.  I continue to believe that the role of the recruiter as we know it today, will continue to evolve.  As the art of finding candidates gets easier and easier, recruiters will become more consultants and counselors.  This will be especially true as talented people become less and less dependent on recruiters searching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good practical advice Lou.  I continue to believe that the role of the recruiter as we know it today, will continue to evolve.  As the art of finding candidates gets easier and easier, recruiters will become more consultants and counselors.  This will be especially true as talented people become less and less dependent on recruiters searching.</p>
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