Comments on: Characteristics of the Craft http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/ Recruiting News, Recruiting Events, Recruiting Community, Social Recruiting Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:04:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Characteristics of the Craft | Connecting Talent http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-35170 Characteristics of the Craft | Connecting Talent Wed, 03 Nov 2010 00:51:19 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-35170 [...] http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/ [...] [...] http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/ [...]

]]> By: Mark Hurak http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-25722 Mark Hurak Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:44:42 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-25722 Howard, I read with much enjoyment. I don't know which characteristic I like the best; It has to be urgency. Damn Urgency, Bless Urgency. Give me URGENCY everytime! Howard, I read with much enjoyment. I don’t know which characteristic I like the best; It has to be urgency. Damn Urgency, Bless Urgency. Give me URGENCY everytime!

]]> By: Steve Kaspar http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20903 Steve Kaspar Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:20:30 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20903 Great article Howard. I especially appreciate your 'Thick Skin' bullet point. There's no room for sensitivity (the way you spin it) in Recruiting! Great article Howard. I especially appreciate your ‘Thick Skin’ bullet point. There’s no room for sensitivity (the way you spin it) in Recruiting!

]]> By: Keith Halperin http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20173 Keith Halperin Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:22:40 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20173 "What can be worse than being average? An easy one, Howard: NOT being average, or should I say: "not being like US". Cheers, Keith Halperin “What can be worse than being average? An easy one, Howard:
NOT being average, or should I say: “not being like US”.

Cheers,

Keith Halperin

]]> By: Howard Adamsky http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20141 Howard Adamsky Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:38:12 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20141 Keith, sadly, you are correct. Personally, I sense that so many recruiters are mediocre because they work for organizations that are mediocre. They learn status quo and bureaucracy and is a competitive world, that is a very debilitating experience. Kjell A. Nordström, the Swedish Economist said "anything and everything, that is close to average, is a bad idea." He is right. What can be worse than being average? Keith, sadly, you are correct.

Personally, I sense that so many recruiters are mediocre because they work for organizations that are mediocre. They learn status quo and bureaucracy and is a competitive world, that is a very debilitating experience.

Kjell A. Nordström, the Swedish Economist said “anything and everything, that is close to average, is a bad idea.” He is right. What can be worse than being average?

]]> By: Todd Raphael http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20132 Todd Raphael Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:46:38 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20132 Dawn - I try when I can to go out on the weekend or whenever and shoot some photos for the site (e.g. help-wanted signs and so on). But I really wanted a photo of a contact sport and couldn't find one around, so I got that rugby photo from a state university. In retrospect I could have gone down to the karate place not far away ... Dawn – I try when I can to go out on the weekend or whenever and shoot some photos for the site (e.g. help-wanted signs and so on). But I really wanted a photo of a contact sport and couldn’t find one around, so I got that rugby photo from a state university. In retrospect I could have gone down to the karate place not far away …

]]> By: Dawn Skiba http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20129 Dawn Skiba Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:18:38 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20129 I love the rugby picture correlation! We are a special breed indeed. Thanks for reminding me why I am in this business and do what I do. Looking at the characteristics, as you have broken them down, gets me charged up! I know I am where I belong! I love the rugby picture correlation! We are a special breed indeed. Thanks for reminding me why I am in this business and do what I do. Looking at the characteristics, as you have broken them down, gets me charged up! I know I am where I belong!

]]> By: jennifer drake http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20125 jennifer drake Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:43:54 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20125 Interesting paragraph on responsibility. I absolutely feel responsible for the roles I recruit on. However, my sense of responsibility often is referred to as "controlling" the process. Well, when I loosen the reigns in the process to show I don't need complete control, then all hell breaks loose! :) And I'm the one to blame when it goes wrong. That's where the tough skin comes in! Great article. Interesting paragraph on responsibility. I absolutely feel responsible for the roles I recruit on. However, my sense of responsibility often is referred to as “controlling” the process. Well, when I loosen the reigns in the process to show I don’t need complete control, then all hell breaks loose! :) And I’m the one to blame when it goes wrong. That’s where the tough skin comes in! Great article.

]]> By: Keith Halperin http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20122 Keith Halperin Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:16:55 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20122 Thanks, Howard. I've worked at a number over the years where the goal of recruiting was to following the recruiting processes, NOT to "get good butts quickly and affordably in chairs". They ranged from startups to Global 1000 Companies,but were mainly large. I suspect many of our ERE members work for these companies, or ones just like them. Heaven may indeed help us, but "against stupidity (and bureaucracy) the gods themselves avail in vain." Cheers, Keith Thanks, Howard. I’ve worked at a number over the years where the goal of recruiting was to following the recruiting processes, NOT to “get good butts quickly and affordably in chairs”. They ranged from startups to Global 1000 Companies,but were mainly large. I suspect many of our ERE members work for these companies, or ones just like them.

Heaven may indeed help us, but “against stupidity (and bureaucracy) the gods themselves avail in vain.”

Cheers,

Keith

]]> By: Mark Saft http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20107 Mark Saft Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:06:17 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20107 Hi Howard, Once again, you've nailed it! As I told you before, there's always a desk for you here at The Ingenium Group. You are best and your acticles are always a pleasure to read. I have already added your article to our training library and will be sure that anyone considering a career in recruiting reads your article first. Thanks and be well, Mark Henry Saft Hi Howard,

Once again, you’ve nailed it!

As I told you before, there’s always a desk for you here at The Ingenium Group.

You are best and your acticles are always a pleasure to read.

I have already added your article to our training library and will be sure that anyone considering a career in recruiting reads your article first.

Thanks and be well,

Mark Henry Saft

]]> By: Howard Adamsky http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20106 Howard Adamsky Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:37:57 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20106 Keith: You think this article describes a recruiter in a "results oriented" culture? I thought all organizations were results oriented. Heaven help us if you are right. Keith:

You think this article describes a recruiter in a “results oriented” culture? I thought all organizations were results oriented.

Heaven help us if you are right.

]]> By: Keith Halperin http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20101 Keith Halperin Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:42:41 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20101 I think the weight of the components of this mix vary greatly from environment (corporate, contract, contingency, retained, RPO) and culture (nimble vs. lumbering, dynamic vs.static, results-oriented vs. process-oriented, authoritarian vs. empowering, etc.) What Howard describes seems to fit a contingency environment and/or a results-oreinted culture. -kh I think the weight of the components of this mix vary greatly from environment (corporate, contract, contingency, retained, RPO) and culture (nimble vs. lumbering, dynamic vs.static, results-oriented vs. process-oriented, authoritarian vs. empowering, etc.) What Howard describes seems to fit a contingency environment and/or a results-oreinted culture.

-kh

]]> By: Howard Adamsky http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20093 Howard Adamsky Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:15:32 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20093 Ryan, I think that some sushi is in order!. Ryan, I think that some sushi is in order!.

]]> By: Liz Fitch http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20092 Liz Fitch Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:12:52 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20092 Great article...spot on! Great article…spot on!

]]> By: Brian Kevin Johnston http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20086 Brian Kevin Johnston Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:34:31 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20086 Howard- Thanks for sharing you ideas with me/ere community... "A Thick Skin. Recruiting is not for the faint of heart.." (TRUE... TRUE...) I have made @150 hires as a third party recruiter, and less than 3% were easy (counter offers, relocation, negotiation, etc).... If I can give one piece of advice to the community.. SERVICE FIRST (reciprocity) plus NEVER GIVE UP! (BUT, that is tough one for our narcistic, entitlement/suppressed society) Thank YOU for sharing.. Best, Brian- Howard- Thanks for sharing you ideas with me/ere community…

“A Thick Skin. Recruiting is not for the faint of heart..” (TRUE… TRUE…)

I have made @150 hires as a third party recruiter, and less than 3% were easy (counter offers, relocation, negotiation, etc)….

If I can give one piece of advice to the community.. SERVICE FIRST (reciprocity) plus NEVER GIVE UP! (BUT, that is tough one for our narcistic, entitlement/suppressed society)

Thank YOU for sharing..
Best, Brian-

]]> By: Ryan Stowell http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20081 Ryan Stowell Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:01:09 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20081 Howard...I will let you know my fee for using me as your case study for this article. Howard…I will let you know my fee for using me as your case study for this article.

]]> By: Rob Jannone http://www.ere.net/2010/03/08/characteristics-of-the-craft/comment-page-1/#comment-20071 Rob Jannone Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:25:43 +0000 http://www.ere.net/?p=12007#comment-20071 Good read here Howard. I have long said that recruiting done right is a lifestyle, not a job. Good read here Howard. I have long said that recruiting done right is a lifestyle, not a job.

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