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		<title>By: Why diversity matters Now &#124; Bidiversity</title>
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		<title>By: SmartBlog on Workforce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Today’s bonus tracks: Onboarding: Do it well or risk the rapid loss of your recruits</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmartBlog on Workforce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Today’s bonus tracks: Onboarding: Do it well or risk the rapid loss of your recruits</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jeff and Pedro hit it right on the head- we all are inherently biased, and while we can&#039;t avoid these biases, using Behavioral Recruiting, the application of Behavioral Economics to recruiting (http://www.ere.net/2009/09/09/two-unsexy-but-valuable-products/http://www.ere.net/2009/08/24/countercyclical-hiring-%E2%80%93-the-greatest-recruiting-opportunity-in-the-last-25-years/) will allow us to effective recognize  and our utilize our inherent biases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases). One of these is that we ARE more loss-aversive than gain-acquisitive.

Cheers,
-kh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeff and Pedro hit it right on the head- we all are inherently biased, and while we can&#8217;t avoid these biases, using Behavioral Recruiting, the application of Behavioral Economics to recruiting (<a href="http://www.ere.net/2009/09/09/two-unsexy-but-valuable-products/http://www.ere.net/2009/08/24/countercyclical-hiring-%E2%80%93-the-greatest-recruiting-opportunity-in-the-last-25-years/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ere.net/2009/09/09/two-unsexy-but-valuable-products/http://www.ere.net/2009/08/24/countercyclical-hiring-%E2%80%93-the-greatest-recruiting-opportunity-in-the-last-25-years/</a>) will allow us to effective recognize  and our utilize our inherent biases (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases</a>). One of these is that we ARE more loss-aversive than gain-acquisitive.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
-kh</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jeff and Pedro hit it right on the head- we all are inherently biased, and while we can&#039;t avoid these biases, using Behavioral Recruiting, the application of Behavioral Economics to recruiting (http://www.ere.net/2009/09/09/two-unsexy-but-valuable-products/http://www.ere.net/2009/08/24/countercyclical-hiring-%E2%80%93-the-greatest-recruiting-opportunity-in-the-last-25-years/) will allow us to effective recognize  and our utilize our inherent biases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases). One of these is that we ARE more loss-aversive than gain-acquistive.

Cheers,
-kh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeff and Pedro hit it right on the head- we all are inherently biased, and while we can&#8217;t avoid these biases, using Behavioral Recruiting, the application of Behavioral Economics to recruiting (<a href="http://www.ere.net/2009/09/09/two-unsexy-but-valuable-products/http://www.ere.net/2009/08/24/countercyclical-hiring-%E2%80%93-the-greatest-recruiting-opportunity-in-the-last-25-years/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ere.net/2009/09/09/two-unsexy-but-valuable-products/http://www.ere.net/2009/08/24/countercyclical-hiring-%E2%80%93-the-greatest-recruiting-opportunity-in-the-last-25-years/</a>) will allow us to effective recognize  and our utilize our inherent biases (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases</a>). One of these is that we ARE more loss-aversive than gain-acquistive.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
-kh</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, I suspect you know this but a majority culture thinks everyone sees the world through their eyes and experiences. Thus, it was shocking for many non-blacks to hear about something that was a very common experience to many blacks-- being pulled over for what is nicknamed &quot;driving while black&quot; that a white male would never experience. This is not a criticism of police. It is an example of a &quot;blindness&quot; that a member of a dominant culture might have. For people who are US born, they will often explain some of the reasons that decisions are made in hiring in ways that seem completely rational . . . until they are de-constructed and have bias smack dab throughout it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro, I suspect you know this but a majority culture thinks everyone sees the world through their eyes and experiences. Thus, it was shocking for many non-blacks to hear about something that was a very common experience to many blacks&#8211; being pulled over for what is nicknamed &#8220;driving while black&#8221; that a white male would never experience. This is not a criticism of police. It is an example of a &#8220;blindness&#8221; that a member of a dominant culture might have. For people who are US born, they will often explain some of the reasons that decisions are made in hiring in ways that seem completely rational . . . until they are de-constructed and have bias smack dab throughout it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Gerstandt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Gerstandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pedro-

Love the statement that diversity just &quot;is&quot; and great post on The Confusion about Inclusion.  I think there is still a great deal of opportunity for organizations and communities to improve their approach to diversity and inclusion though and part of that is integrating a better understanding of human nature and social and relational dynamics.

Many of the &quot;categories&quot; that we use tend to mean nothing in the long run, but they can still influence our thinking and feeling in a lot of different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pedro-</p>
<p>Love the statement that diversity just &#8220;is&#8221; and great post on The Confusion about Inclusion.  I think there is still a great deal of opportunity for organizations and communities to improve their approach to diversity and inclusion though and part of that is integrating a better understanding of human nature and social and relational dynamics.</p>
<p>Many of the &#8220;categories&#8221; that we use tend to mean nothing in the long run, but they can still influence our thinking and feeling in a lot of different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Burkley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi Burkley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, I agree with you and at the end of the day people just want fair opportunities. 

While one may argue against existing laws, rules and regulations that suggest Affirmative Action or Diversity measures limit access to some while granting access to others, the underlying point in my opinion is to judge people on an individual basis relative to fair and consistent requirements instead of irrelevant/inconsistent requirements. 

Ultimately our personal prejudice and bias hinder us from true growth and prosperity by creating walls of limitation based upon unsubstantiated mistruths and lies. It&#039;s only when we have the courage to take the blinders off that we can see the truth. 

Over the weekend one of my HR Groups shared a linked to a short film called The Butterfly Circus.  It personally hit home for me when thinking about the limitations that our society places upon people (this happens at the indivdual level as well).  

http://bit.ly/5mYptG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro, I agree with you and at the end of the day people just want fair opportunities. </p>
<p>While one may argue against existing laws, rules and regulations that suggest Affirmative Action or Diversity measures limit access to some while granting access to others, the underlying point in my opinion is to judge people on an individual basis relative to fair and consistent requirements instead of irrelevant/inconsistent requirements. </p>
<p>Ultimately our personal prejudice and bias hinder us from true growth and prosperity by creating walls of limitation based upon unsubstantiated mistruths and lies. It&#8217;s only when we have the courage to take the blinders off that we can see the truth. </p>
<p>Over the weekend one of my HR Groups shared a linked to a short film called The Butterfly Circus.  It personally hit home for me when thinking about the limitations that our society places upon people (this happens at the indivdual level as well).  </p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/5mYptG" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/5mYptG</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we live in a culture where our fear of loss is greater than our desire for gain we will continue to dialogue about the merits and detriments of any inclusive programs.  If we were truly operating from a mindset that was aimed at creating a global culture of awareness and equal opportunity, we would be simultaneously looking forward to the day when all of these programs would cease to be necessary.  

Perhaps the way of working toward that will come if we depersonalize &quot;diversity&quot; and just accept it as a fact of life.  How can we argue for or against something that simply is.  That&#039;s insane.  It is like arguing for or against Earth&#039;s gravitational pull.  We experience gravity. Period.  The Wright brothers never disputed this fact.  What they did was learn how to work with it and other existing forces in order to fly.  Eventually we will have to do the same thing if we want evolve to a higher order of experiencing and creating through innovation.  

I wrote a post on my company&#039;s blog that paints an image of D&amp;I as an inevitable part of business evolution. http://jcsicareerassist.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/ending-the-confusion-about-inclusion-diversity-2071/ .  While I don&#039;t really expect that people will willingly release their personal attachments to being right in order to allow for a more inclusive business world to emerge, I do believe that we are all heading this way even if we go kicking and screaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we live in a culture where our fear of loss is greater than our desire for gain we will continue to dialogue about the merits and detriments of any inclusive programs.  If we were truly operating from a mindset that was aimed at creating a global culture of awareness and equal opportunity, we would be simultaneously looking forward to the day when all of these programs would cease to be necessary.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the way of working toward that will come if we depersonalize &#8220;diversity&#8221; and just accept it as a fact of life.  How can we argue for or against something that simply is.  That&#8217;s insane.  It is like arguing for or against Earth&#8217;s gravitational pull.  We experience gravity. Period.  The Wright brothers never disputed this fact.  What they did was learn how to work with it and other existing forces in order to fly.  Eventually we will have to do the same thing if we want evolve to a higher order of experiencing and creating through innovation.  </p>
<p>I wrote a post on my company&#8217;s blog that paints an image of D&amp;I as an inevitable part of business evolution. <a href="http://jcsicareerassist.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/ending-the-confusion-about-inclusion-diversity-2071/" rel="nofollow">http://jcsicareerassist.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/ending-the-confusion-about-inclusion-diversity-2071/</a> .  While I don&#8217;t really expect that people will willingly release their personal attachments to being right in order to allow for a more inclusive business world to emerge, I do believe that we are all heading this way even if we go kicking and screaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Gerstandt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Gerstandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gregg, thanks for your response.  I would push back on a few things.
1- I think that biased/skewed decision making or evaluation is more complex than just being about ego and petty prejudices.  I think one of the places that we really get bogged down on this set of issues is when we buy in to the idea that bad (or ignorant) people are biased and good (or smart) people are not.  I am sure that there can be a great deal of difference in intentions, but regardless of our intentions we are all biased.  We employ a lot of cognitive short cuts when making decisions and forming opinions about others and while we may feel very strongly one way or another about a persons talent, ability, or &quot;fit&quot;, those feelings are often informed by stereotypical ideas and images...and we have stereotypical ideas and images about everything; race, age, gender, profession, geography, height, eye-contact, dress, physical appearance, etc. We have learned a great deal about the brain in the past couple of decades, and regardless of how we feel about stereotypical ideas for different groups of people, the brain starts making decisions about people in fractions of a second, and these decisions are usually formed with very little actual data.  So its not simply a good person/bad person thing, but a human nature thing.  That is part of what organizations need to be aware of and push back on.
2- I also do not think it is completely accurate to say that any decent executive gets this issue and if they do not they will be out of business. I do think that this set of issues are becoming increasingly business critical, but I think there are still many exceptions.  I could make the same statement about customer service, and most CEOs would speak very strongly about the importance of customer service, but I can still go out and get treated poorly by a number of organizations today that are profitable.  I could say the same thing about employee engagement and most CEOs would speak very strongly about the importance of engagement and work environment, etc., but some still run a churn and burn shop, do not understand human capital issues and are still able to be profitable.  Issues of human ability and human interaction are complex and multi-dimensional and I think that they are for many industries more closely connected to the difference between surviving and thriving than they are to the difference between profitable or not profitable.
3- I did not mention international / global diversity issues in my article, in fact I did not mention many aspects of diversity and I disagree that this is a perverse or systematic practice. The purpose of my article was to provide a little clarity around the value of diversity and inclusion today and to illuminate some of the dynamics involved.  For the organizations that I work with that are global in nature we focus a great deal of attention on global/international cultural and linguistic diversity issues and there are a number of people within the field that focus almost specifically on that work, so again my experience is different than yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gregg, thanks for your response.  I would push back on a few things.<br />
1- I think that biased/skewed decision making or evaluation is more complex than just being about ego and petty prejudices.  I think one of the places that we really get bogged down on this set of issues is when we buy in to the idea that bad (or ignorant) people are biased and good (or smart) people are not.  I am sure that there can be a great deal of difference in intentions, but regardless of our intentions we are all biased.  We employ a lot of cognitive short cuts when making decisions and forming opinions about others and while we may feel very strongly one way or another about a persons talent, ability, or &#8220;fit&#8221;, those feelings are often informed by stereotypical ideas and images&#8230;and we have stereotypical ideas and images about everything; race, age, gender, profession, geography, height, eye-contact, dress, physical appearance, etc. We have learned a great deal about the brain in the past couple of decades, and regardless of how we feel about stereotypical ideas for different groups of people, the brain starts making decisions about people in fractions of a second, and these decisions are usually formed with very little actual data.  So its not simply a good person/bad person thing, but a human nature thing.  That is part of what organizations need to be aware of and push back on.<br />
2- I also do not think it is completely accurate to say that any decent executive gets this issue and if they do not they will be out of business. I do think that this set of issues are becoming increasingly business critical, but I think there are still many exceptions.  I could make the same statement about customer service, and most CEOs would speak very strongly about the importance of customer service, but I can still go out and get treated poorly by a number of organizations today that are profitable.  I could say the same thing about employee engagement and most CEOs would speak very strongly about the importance of engagement and work environment, etc., but some still run a churn and burn shop, do not understand human capital issues and are still able to be profitable.  Issues of human ability and human interaction are complex and multi-dimensional and I think that they are for many industries more closely connected to the difference between surviving and thriving than they are to the difference between profitable or not profitable.<br />
3- I did not mention international / global diversity issues in my article, in fact I did not mention many aspects of diversity and I disagree that this is a perverse or systematic practice. The purpose of my article was to provide a little clarity around the value of diversity and inclusion today and to illuminate some of the dynamics involved.  For the organizations that I work with that are global in nature we focus a great deal of attention on global/international cultural and linguistic diversity issues and there are a number of people within the field that focus almost specifically on that work, so again my experience is different than yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Altman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Altman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that hiring the most qualified individual would be a no-brainer . . . until you start dissecting the thoughts that enter into decisionmaking and wasn&#039;t realize the subtle and not so subtle biases that afflict us. For example, the most qualified candidate may be the 26 year old recently married women . . . oops, maybe she&#039;ll become pregnant and that $30000 agency fee I just authorized will be &quot;squandered&quot; because she wasn&#039;t with us for three years (even though few remain with a firm that long). How about the exceptional IT person whose oral communications skills at this stage in life were not perfect . . . even though they were not expected to interface with anyone other than their immediate (white, black, Latino) manager?

We can go circumstance by circumstance and see how alleged core competencies keep non-majority individuals in lesser roles . . . and this is not a purely American issue.

In any culture there are systemic biases that advantage those with &quot;lucky genes&quot; born to parents who live in a certain neighborhood and send their children to better skills affording them with access and ingrained social traits that advantage them as adults.

And no one can possibly figure out a system to create a completely even hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that hiring the most qualified individual would be a no-brainer . . . until you start dissecting the thoughts that enter into decisionmaking and wasn&#8217;t realize the subtle and not so subtle biases that afflict us. For example, the most qualified candidate may be the 26 year old recently married women . . . oops, maybe she&#8217;ll become pregnant and that $30000 agency fee I just authorized will be &#8220;squandered&#8221; because she wasn&#8217;t with us for three years (even though few remain with a firm that long). How about the exceptional IT person whose oral communications skills at this stage in life were not perfect . . . even though they were not expected to interface with anyone other than their immediate (white, black, Latino) manager?</p>
<p>We can go circumstance by circumstance and see how alleged core competencies keep non-majority individuals in lesser roles . . . and this is not a purely American issue.</p>
<p>In any culture there are systemic biases that advantage those with &#8220;lucky genes&#8221; born to parents who live in a certain neighborhood and send their children to better skills affording them with access and ingrained social traits that advantage them as adults.</p>
<p>And no one can possibly figure out a system to create a completely even hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri Minnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuri Minnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the buying power and labor force increases amongst Latin American’s and African American’s, business planners from any industry would be foolish to dismiss the impact these emerging markets can and/or will play on their future. 

Here’s some data to back that up: 
•	From 1990 to 2013 Hispanics as a % of U.S. Consumer Market share will have doubled
•	Hispanic buying power from 1990 through 2008 grew 349%, African American buying power in the same time frame grew 187%
•	Median Age: Caucasian 40.6, African American 31.4, Hispanic 26.9

A lot of discussions on corporate diversity programs revolve around the most difficult to quantify benefits, and quickly turn into the “hire the best candidate” debate we see on almost every diversity discussion board. 

Reality is the best candidate’s gravitate toward companies who position themselves to capitalize on these emerging markets without neglecting their existing markets. 


I’d encourage those looking for more data to read “The Multicultural Economy 2008” published by Jeffrey M. Humphreys from the Selig Center for Economic Growth, Terry College of Business, at The Univer¬sity of Georgia. http://www.terry.uga.edu/selig/docs/executive_summary_2008.pdf 

I’ve also posted a presentation that identifies why companies are challenged to hire top multi-cultural talent and creates a case for diversity hiring initiatives at the college/university level. Here’s the link if interested http://tinyurl.com/yj6cu6z</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the buying power and labor force increases amongst Latin American’s and African American’s, business planners from any industry would be foolish to dismiss the impact these emerging markets can and/or will play on their future. </p>
<p>Here’s some data to back that up:<br />
•	From 1990 to 2013 Hispanics as a % of U.S. Consumer Market share will have doubled<br />
•	Hispanic buying power from 1990 through 2008 grew 349%, African American buying power in the same time frame grew 187%<br />
•	Median Age: Caucasian 40.6, African American 31.4, Hispanic 26.9</p>
<p>A lot of discussions on corporate diversity programs revolve around the most difficult to quantify benefits, and quickly turn into the “hire the best candidate” debate we see on almost every diversity discussion board. </p>
<p>Reality is the best candidate’s gravitate toward companies who position themselves to capitalize on these emerging markets without neglecting their existing markets. </p>
<p>I’d encourage those looking for more data to read “The Multicultural Economy 2008” published by Jeffrey M. Humphreys from the Selig Center for Economic Growth, Terry College of Business, at The Univer¬sity of Georgia. <a href="http://www.terry.uga.edu/selig/docs/executive_summary_2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.terry.uga.edu/selig/docs/executive_summary_2008.pdf</a> </p>
<p>I’ve also posted a presentation that identifies why companies are challenged to hire top multi-cultural talent and creates a case for diversity hiring initiatives at the college/university level. Here’s the link if interested <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yj6cu6z" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yj6cu6z</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfection is impossible- there are inevitable tradeoffs involved. What we CAN do is work toward the improvement of those who have the least. I think we still have a long way to go:
This index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of family income in a country. We are similar in structure to countries like Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina, China, and Malaysia. The only prosperous Western countries that approach our degree of inequality (two categories higher) are Portugal and New Zealand. Even France (which IMHO is much worse at treating its disadvantaged groups than we are) has a better overall income distribution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gini_Coefficient_World_CIA_Report_2009.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfection is impossible- there are inevitable tradeoffs involved. What we CAN do is work toward the improvement of those who have the least. I think we still have a long way to go:<br />
This index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of family income in a country. We are similar in structure to countries like Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina, China, and Malaysia. The only prosperous Western countries that approach our degree of inequality (two categories higher) are Portugal and New Zealand. Even France (which IMHO is much worse at treating its disadvantaged groups than we are) has a better overall income distribution.<br />
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		<title>By: David George</title>
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		<dc:creator>David George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can figure out a way to create a system with equal opportunity for all groups, without doing it at the expense of one group or the other, let me know.  I would like to think that it is possible, but I am afraid there are too many entrenched interests in this country who would cease to benefit from the status quo to let that happen. 

Thanks for the thoughtful diologue.

All the best,

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can figure out a way to create a system with equal opportunity for all groups, without doing it at the expense of one group or the other, let me know.  I would like to think that it is possible, but I am afraid there are too many entrenched interests in this country who would cease to benefit from the status quo to let that happen. </p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful diologue.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David. We do agree here. 
I think where we disagree is how close to that goal of equal opportunity for all (not equal results for all) we are, what needs to be done to further this along (and not reverse progress).

Cheers,
KH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David. We do agree here.<br />
I think where we disagree is how close to that goal of equal opportunity for all (not equal results for all) we are, what needs to be done to further this along (and not reverse progress).</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
KH</p>
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		<title>By: David George</title>
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		<dc:creator>David George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you, Keith, and that is my whole point.  The way it should be, in my opinion, is that everyone gets an equal opportunity for success (aka &quot;seat at the table&quot;) in their chosen pursuit, irrespective of superficial and irrelevant (when I say irrelevant, I mean in the sense that these things are not relevant to whether or not you are qualified to be an Accountant, Engineer, Doctor, etc) considerations like skin color, national origin, gender, etc.

Once you have your seat, I believe you have to earn your share of the meal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you, Keith, and that is my whole point.  The way it should be, in my opinion, is that everyone gets an equal opportunity for success (aka &#8220;seat at the table&#8221;) in their chosen pursuit, irrespective of superficial and irrelevant (when I say irrelevant, I mean in the sense that these things are not relevant to whether or not you are qualified to be an Accountant, Engineer, Doctor, etc) considerations like skin color, national origin, gender, etc.</p>
<p>Once you have your seat, I believe you have to earn your share of the meal.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, David. You bring up an interesting point: ALL injustices are &quot;perceived&quot; by someone- there is to my knowledge no objective standard for injustice. What you may regard as an inevitable, natural consequence, I/we may regard as injustice. Numbers act as a guide, but do not dictate:
if a million people complain of an injustice, it MAY be more likely than if a single person complains about a particular incident (claiming it to be unjust), but that isn&#039;t certain.

Also (if I understand you properly), I disagree with your definition of diversity, as it seems you are equating diversity with unity or assimilation. IMHO, diversity is not designed to make sure everybody goes into the Anglo-American &quot;melting pot&quot;, but rather that we all &quot;get a seat at the dining table and a fair share of the meal.&quot;

Hope Everybody had a Great Thanksgiving,

Keith &quot;Makes a Decent Pumpkin Pie&quot; Halperin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, David. You bring up an interesting point: ALL injustices are &#8220;perceived&#8221; by someone- there is to my knowledge no objective standard for injustice. What you may regard as an inevitable, natural consequence, I/we may regard as injustice. Numbers act as a guide, but do not dictate:<br />
if a million people complain of an injustice, it MAY be more likely than if a single person complains about a particular incident (claiming it to be unjust), but that isn&#8217;t certain.</p>
<p>Also (if I understand you properly), I disagree with your definition of diversity, as it seems you are equating diversity with unity or assimilation. IMHO, diversity is not designed to make sure everybody goes into the Anglo-American &#8220;melting pot&#8221;, but rather that we all &#8220;get a seat at the dining table and a fair share of the meal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope Everybody had a Great Thanksgiving,</p>
<p>Keith &#8220;Makes a Decent Pumpkin Pie&#8221; Halperin</p>
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		<title>By: David George</title>
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		<dc:creator>David George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

Let me address your comment about my statement... If you read carefully, I said &quot;perceived&quot; injustices, which is entirely different than actual injustice, i.e. slavery.  I think it is unfortunate that you choose to take the whole sliding scale and boil it down to the extreme of something like slavery, or women&#039;s voting rights, which are wrongs that were rightfully corrected.  It is that kind of thought process that keeps people divided, and, as far as I understand it, the whole idea of diversity is the antethesis of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>Let me address your comment about my statement&#8230; If you read carefully, I said &#8220;perceived&#8221; injustices, which is entirely different than actual injustice, i.e. slavery.  I think it is unfortunate that you choose to take the whole sliding scale and boil it down to the extreme of something like slavery, or women&#8217;s voting rights, which are wrongs that were rightfully corrected.  It is that kind of thought process that keeps people divided, and, as far as I understand it, the whole idea of diversity is the antethesis of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Diversity Matters Now &#124; Warren Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/24/why-diversity-matters-now/comment-page-1/#comment-17311</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Diversity Matters Now &#124; Warren Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gregg dourgarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregg dourgarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
Talent and diversity do symbiotically thrive on each other, and it&#039;s certainly human to let egos and petty prejudices artificially constrain out better options.  

What business person does not get that?  I&#039;ll tell you. Bad ones.  The kind that go out of business.  Free markets kill off the diversity-starved.

The compliance industry emerges then as the elephant in the parlor that David George persuasively points to in his comments.  Essays like yours that give scant attention to it mitigate their effectiveness by arousing a suspicion fair or not of &quot;what does this guy want to sell me?&quot;

A black (whoops) irony of the diversity industry is that it perversely and systematically excludes all of humanity outside of national borders.  You in your section on demographics and Keith Halperin in his humorous litany of marginalized groups make no effort for example to point out workforces in places like Kenya or the Philippines. 

Real champions of diversity are profit-maximizers that cast the candidate net out far beyond the false boundaries set by the compliance industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
Talent and diversity do symbiotically thrive on each other, and it&#8217;s certainly human to let egos and petty prejudices artificially constrain out better options.  </p>
<p>What business person does not get that?  I&#8217;ll tell you. Bad ones.  The kind that go out of business.  Free markets kill off the diversity-starved.</p>
<p>The compliance industry emerges then as the elephant in the parlor that David George persuasively points to in his comments.  Essays like yours that give scant attention to it mitigate their effectiveness by arousing a suspicion fair or not of &#8220;what does this guy want to sell me?&#8221;</p>
<p>A black (whoops) irony of the diversity industry is that it perversely and systematically excludes all of humanity outside of national borders.  You in your section on demographics and Keith Halperin in his humorous litany of marginalized groups make no effort for example to point out workforces in places like Kenya or the Philippines. </p>
<p>Real champions of diversity are profit-maximizers that cast the candidate net out far beyond the false boundaries set by the compliance industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Gerstandt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Gerstandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for reading and commenting, sorry I have been AWOL today. On a bit of a Griswold family holiday trip and have been &quot;off-line&quot; most of the day.

Glad you liked Wisdom of Crowds Elyse, you might also enjoy Crowdsourcing by Howe, makes some similar points and provides some good research and examples of companies really tapping into the value of diversity in their workforce and beyond.

Thanks for your sermonizing on my sermonizing Gregg, my experience with c-suite execs regarding diversity and inclusion has actually been quite different.

I think the response of &quot;let&#039;s just hire the best person&quot; is interesting for a couple of reasons.  
1- We talk about &quot;hiring the best person&quot; like it is a science...like we can measure &quot;best person&quot; like we can measure a pound of flour.  We can&#039;t.  Despite all of our wonderful intentions, fancy metrics and shiny technology, we still do not always hire the &quot;best person.&quot;  There is a lot of research that shows that we are better at hiring people that are like us than we are at hiring the &quot;best person for the job.&quot;  I think that we start form an inaccurate place when we talk about it like it is an accurate and perfect science.  Regardless of our intentions there are a whole lot of things that influence our evaluations of others and many of them have absolutely nothing to do with talent or ability.
2- If we care at all about actually building teams that can learn together and innovate together, then diversity is actually one of the indicators of talent.  Especially when we look at cognitive diversity, there is a considerable amount of evidence that diverse teams can outperform teams with less diversity.

I actually just wrote a post about this last week: http://www.ourtimetoact.com/our-time-to-act/2009/11/19/talent-or-diversity.html

One other point I will throw in real quickly is that my post was not about compliance.  I have my own issues with the how and why of compliance related to these issues.  Beyond compliance I believe that there is some real business value here...diversity can be valuable to an organization.

Thomas- I think there are some good examples out there of ROI, but it kind of depends on what kind of investment you are talking about, because the actual efforts can be focused on a number of things (recruitment, retention, engagement, innovation, market share, etc.).  Allstate is a great example (with huge numbers)of an organization that has capitalized on the shifts in demographics and buying power in consumers, I have worked with some organizations that have eliminated their disparities in retention (and increased retention across the board, inclusion benefits everyone)...and retention and engagement also lead to pretty big numbers.  Dr. Edward Hubbard is a D&amp;I ROI guru, he has some books that are full of business cases and case studies with detailed numbers.  Diversity Inc magazine and Diversity Executive magazines also provide some of that info.

For what its worth.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for reading and commenting, sorry I have been AWOL today. On a bit of a Griswold family holiday trip and have been &#8220;off-line&#8221; most of the day.</p>
<p>Glad you liked Wisdom of Crowds Elyse, you might also enjoy Crowdsourcing by Howe, makes some similar points and provides some good research and examples of companies really tapping into the value of diversity in their workforce and beyond.</p>
<p>Thanks for your sermonizing on my sermonizing Gregg, my experience with c-suite execs regarding diversity and inclusion has actually been quite different.</p>
<p>I think the response of &#8220;let&#8217;s just hire the best person&#8221; is interesting for a couple of reasons.<br />
1- We talk about &#8220;hiring the best person&#8221; like it is a science&#8230;like we can measure &#8220;best person&#8221; like we can measure a pound of flour.  We can&#8217;t.  Despite all of our wonderful intentions, fancy metrics and shiny technology, we still do not always hire the &#8220;best person.&#8221;  There is a lot of research that shows that we are better at hiring people that are like us than we are at hiring the &#8220;best person for the job.&#8221;  I think that we start form an inaccurate place when we talk about it like it is an accurate and perfect science.  Regardless of our intentions there are a whole lot of things that influence our evaluations of others and many of them have absolutely nothing to do with talent or ability.<br />
2- If we care at all about actually building teams that can learn together and innovate together, then diversity is actually one of the indicators of talent.  Especially when we look at cognitive diversity, there is a considerable amount of evidence that diverse teams can outperform teams with less diversity.</p>
<p>I actually just wrote a post about this last week: <a href="http://www.ourtimetoact.com/our-time-to-act/2009/11/19/talent-or-diversity.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ourtimetoact.com/our-time-to-act/2009/11/19/talent-or-diversity.html</a></p>
<p>One other point I will throw in real quickly is that my post was not about compliance.  I have my own issues with the how and why of compliance related to these issues.  Beyond compliance I believe that there is some real business value here&#8230;diversity can be valuable to an organization.</p>
<p>Thomas- I think there are some good examples out there of ROI, but it kind of depends on what kind of investment you are talking about, because the actual efforts can be focused on a number of things (recruitment, retention, engagement, innovation, market share, etc.).  Allstate is a great example (with huge numbers)of an organization that has capitalized on the shifts in demographics and buying power in consumers, I have worked with some organizations that have eliminated their disparities in retention (and increased retention across the board, inclusion benefits everyone)&#8230;and retention and engagement also lead to pretty big numbers.  Dr. Edward Hubbard is a D&amp;I ROI guru, he has some books that are full of business cases and case studies with detailed numbers.  Diversity Inc magazine and Diversity Executive magazines also provide some of that info.</p>
<p>For what its worth.</p>
<p>Have a Happy Thanksgiving.</p>
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