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		<title>By: Wendell Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be helpful to know exactly what you disagree with</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Baran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Baran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I referenced your post on my blog site: http://ow.ly/FCaJ

I disagree with a few points you made.   

Jim Baran
Owner, Value Stream Leadership</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I referenced your post on my blog site: <a href="http://ow.ly/FCaJ" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/FCaJ</a></p>
<p>I disagree with a few points you made.   </p>
<p>Jim Baran<br />
Owner, Value Stream Leadership</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17266</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification on the level of accuracy you are able to acheive...in most cases that last 20-30% is the most difficult for us - organization, interpersonal, mental acuity and such can be measured - but without knowing if the manager truly is a jerk, or a helicopter manager, or hands off, or whatever - and rarely do we get to assess them beyond using our emotional intelligence to see beneath the layers or veneer that they put up to deflect their inefficiencies.  Rare is the leader or manager that shares these (although we probably all have come across one or two along the way and been spot on with the talent we have provided them...).  

Now take it back to a third party talent manager who gets one shot - maybe 45 minutes to an hour - hopefully face to face - but for the mid level roles probably on the phone - to learn these idiosyncrasies- 90% not a chance...but if you&#039;re really diligent to the core assessment principles - can provide stellar people that are competent and with luck of meshing well (we always make adaptability a high sought after trait in addition to the rest)- can successfully marshall talent that perform very well for 2-3 years...when 18 months is the average job length for folks under 35 - its more than passable...(we moved to this demographic when we carefully reviewed the generational gaps in the market...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification on the level of accuracy you are able to acheive&#8230;in most cases that last 20-30% is the most difficult for us &#8211; organization, interpersonal, mental acuity and such can be measured &#8211; but without knowing if the manager truly is a jerk, or a helicopter manager, or hands off, or whatever &#8211; and rarely do we get to assess them beyond using our emotional intelligence to see beneath the layers or veneer that they put up to deflect their inefficiencies.  Rare is the leader or manager that shares these (although we probably all have come across one or two along the way and been spot on with the talent we have provided them&#8230;).  </p>
<p>Now take it back to a third party talent manager who gets one shot &#8211; maybe 45 minutes to an hour &#8211; hopefully face to face &#8211; but for the mid level roles probably on the phone &#8211; to learn these idiosyncrasies- 90% not a chance&#8230;but if you&#8217;re really diligent to the core assessment principles &#8211; can provide stellar people that are competent and with luck of meshing well (we always make adaptability a high sought after trait in addition to the rest)- can successfully marshall talent that perform very well for 2-3 years&#8230;when 18 months is the average job length for folks under 35 &#8211; its more than passable&#8230;(we moved to this demographic when we carefully reviewed the generational gaps in the market&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No assessment process is perfect...there are too many unknown and unexpected variables..the best anyone can do is take a Physician&#039;s approach and rule-out the obvious things that can be measured. 

For example, if I know I need X-level of intelligence for a job, I try to verify if the candidate has X-level of intelligence using behavioral interviews, case studies, validated tests, and so forth. I always use the three-bears approach...not too little...not too much...just right. 

The object is to balance the type, number and expense of assessments against the risk of job failure. For example, I might only use BEI with low level jobs that anyone could perform, however, I throw-the-sink at professionals, managers and executives who could cause some real damage to the organization. I&#039;ll also do more assessment and validation documentation if the organization is a litigation target. 

Think of assessments as stairsteps...each one adds more accuracy to the hire: starting with chance (the casual interview) and ranging upward one asessment at a time. In my experience it can rise to about 90% if I clearly understand HOW a job is to be performed and if my candidate passes all my HOW assessments. When that happens I have 90% confidence that my candidate is intelligent enough, has the right kind of interpersonal skills, likes the job, has the right planning skills, and so forth to be successful. 

Now, if he or she goes to work for a jerk or decides to have a mid-life crisis, then all bets are off... good people do not work long for bad managers. 

Finally, managers seldom understand correlation or validity numbers, so I explain it to them this way... While we don&#039;t have performance data on people who don&#039;t pass interviews (e.g., they don&#039;t get hired), we do know that people who are hired quickly sort themselves into a bell curve of about 20% high performers, 20% low and the rest in the middle. This is very easy to see in training programs, sales, turnover, and other situations where the performance is somewhat easy to see. 

A good asessment process tends to shift the mid-point of that bell curve dramatically to the right. So much so that today&#039;s average was once yesterday&#039;s high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No assessment process is perfect&#8230;there are too many unknown and unexpected variables..the best anyone can do is take a Physician&#8217;s approach and rule-out the obvious things that can be measured. </p>
<p>For example, if I know I need X-level of intelligence for a job, I try to verify if the candidate has X-level of intelligence using behavioral interviews, case studies, validated tests, and so forth. I always use the three-bears approach&#8230;not too little&#8230;not too much&#8230;just right. </p>
<p>The object is to balance the type, number and expense of assessments against the risk of job failure. For example, I might only use BEI with low level jobs that anyone could perform, however, I throw-the-sink at professionals, managers and executives who could cause some real damage to the organization. I&#8217;ll also do more assessment and validation documentation if the organization is a litigation target. </p>
<p>Think of assessments as stairsteps&#8230;each one adds more accuracy to the hire: starting with chance (the casual interview) and ranging upward one asessment at a time. In my experience it can rise to about 90% if I clearly understand HOW a job is to be performed and if my candidate passes all my HOW assessments. When that happens I have 90% confidence that my candidate is intelligent enough, has the right kind of interpersonal skills, likes the job, has the right planning skills, and so forth to be successful. </p>
<p>Now, if he or she goes to work for a jerk or decides to have a mid-life crisis, then all bets are off&#8230; good people do not work long for bad managers. </p>
<p>Finally, managers seldom understand correlation or validity numbers, so I explain it to them this way&#8230; While we don&#8217;t have performance data on people who don&#8217;t pass interviews (e.g., they don&#8217;t get hired), we do know that people who are hired quickly sort themselves into a bell curve of about 20% high performers, 20% low and the rest in the middle. This is very easy to see in training programs, sales, turnover, and other situations where the performance is somewhat easy to see. </p>
<p>A good asessment process tends to shift the mid-point of that bell curve dramatically to the right. So much so that today&#8217;s average was once yesterday&#8217;s high.</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17264</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for passing on Joshua  

I read this last year in the actual magazine and am glad to have it copied in my files from the website or future reference...

It is a terrific article and spot on for this discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for passing on Joshua  </p>
<p>I read this last year in the actual magazine and am glad to have it copied in my files from the website or future reference&#8230;</p>
<p>It is a terrific article and spot on for this discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17263</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough - if I remember correctly somewhere in the archives is an article Wendell wrote about getting a 70% performance assessment accuracy from taking the comprehensive assessment approach he espouses in his article today...maybe he could clarify if he sees this part of our discussion...good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough &#8211; if I remember correctly somewhere in the archives is an article Wendell wrote about getting a 70% performance assessment accuracy from taking the comprehensive assessment approach he espouses in his article today&#8230;maybe he could clarify if he sees this part of our discussion&#8230;good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17261</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Fund Managers, Malcom Gladwell speaks to &quot;Financial Advisers&quot; in the following article (in addition to Teachers and Pro Football Quarterbacks as well):

Most Likely to Succeed: How do we hire when we can’t tell who’s right for the job?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell#ixzz0Xos8RDEO

He&#039;s a pretty smart guy, that Malcolm Gladwell ;)  The article is definitely worth the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Fund Managers, Malcom Gladwell speaks to &#8220;Financial Advisers&#8221; in the following article (in addition to Teachers and Pro Football Quarterbacks as well):</p>
<p>Most Likely to Succeed: How do we hire when we can’t tell who’s right for the job?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell#ixzz0Xos8RDEO" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell#ixzz0Xos8RDEO</a></p>
<p>He&#8217;s a pretty smart guy, that Malcolm Gladwell ;)  The article is definitely worth the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K.C. - The anecdotes are interesting but not exactly on-point. Frankly, I think you&#039;re underselling assessment test reliabilities. My experience is that .7 is too low an estimate and I&#039;d hate to have to sell an assessment package to an organization at that level. Perhaps Wendell can help us out here with some averages for multiple tests.

As for Fund Managers and that &quot;whole bunch of different circumstances&quot;, just what is it that makes the circumstances of tomorrow different than the circumstances of yesterday? Reliability is just another way to say, &quot;playing the odds&quot;. And odds are, there will be thieves, crooks, bad legislation, and greed tomorrow too. But individuals will still be investing and I&#039;ll still play the odds-on favorites. &quot;Them that does, is them that knows&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K.C. &#8211; The anecdotes are interesting but not exactly on-point. Frankly, I think you&#8217;re underselling assessment test reliabilities. My experience is that .7 is too low an estimate and I&#8217;d hate to have to sell an assessment package to an organization at that level. Perhaps Wendell can help us out here with some averages for multiple tests.</p>
<p>As for Fund Managers and that &#8220;whole bunch of different circumstances&#8221;, just what is it that makes the circumstances of tomorrow different than the circumstances of yesterday? Reliability is just another way to say, &#8220;playing the odds&#8221;. And odds are, there will be thieves, crooks, bad legislation, and greed tomorrow too. But individuals will still be investing and I&#8217;ll still play the odds-on favorites. &#8220;Them that does, is them that knows&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pollock</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17258</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendell... I&#039;m saying that the validity and reliability of a test is also never 100%... despite larger and larger sample sizes (and countless tests). I suspect - and I admittedly have no quantifiable data whatsoever to support this - that hires based on quantified performance data have better outcomes. Again - I have no idea how this would be measured, it&#039;s simply a hypothesis based on 30 years of experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendell&#8230; I&#8217;m saying that the validity and reliability of a test is also never 100%&#8230; despite larger and larger sample sizes (and countless tests). I suspect &#8211; and I admittedly have no quantifiable data whatsoever to support this &#8211; that hires based on quantified performance data have better outcomes. Again &#8211; I have no idea how this would be measured, it&#8217;s simply a hypothesis based on 30 years of experience.</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17257</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Dave - the one huge failure you&#039;re willing to accept cost us too much - possibly the end of prosperity for many years to come...

In a company, if it is for a game changing position, the same mistake could sink the business - I am not willing to make that risk if I can help it and that is exactly what we are discussing here - there are numerous indicators of performance that if combined together can get us about 70% there (not just a test) - but with only reviewing what they previously did in some other space, at a different time, with a whole bunch of different circumstances,etc. etc. - I think that we can do better than that.

By the way from an investment perspective, somewhere I read that, &quot;yesterday&#039;s masters of the universe are today&#039;s cosmic dust...&quot;  I don&#039;t believe that any financial advisor can identify in advance the top performing fund managers - no one can - and I would avoid those who say they can do so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Dave &#8211; the one huge failure you&#8217;re willing to accept cost us too much &#8211; possibly the end of prosperity for many years to come&#8230;</p>
<p>In a company, if it is for a game changing position, the same mistake could sink the business &#8211; I am not willing to make that risk if I can help it and that is exactly what we are discussing here &#8211; there are numerous indicators of performance that if combined together can get us about 70% there (not just a test) &#8211; but with only reviewing what they previously did in some other space, at a different time, with a whole bunch of different circumstances,etc. etc. &#8211; I think that we can do better than that.</p>
<p>By the way from an investment perspective, somewhere I read that, &#8220;yesterday&#8217;s masters of the universe are today&#8217;s cosmic dust&#8230;&#8221;  I don&#8217;t believe that any financial advisor can identify in advance the top performing fund managers &#8211; no one can &#8211; and I would avoid those who say they can do so!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So long as a distinction between behavior and performance is not made, this discussion will continue to compare apples with fruitcakes. 

In addition, goals, objectives, and quantitative results are the keys to my position. I hire people. I don&#039;t offer people up to be hired. In that capacity I get to choose the performance indicators that best match the position I&#039;m filling. Most importantly, the objective data provided along with that indicator is mine to accept or reject as relevant. If these are categorized as job competencies, so be it... but I want to look at the quantitative data related to the performance of that competency, not the test scores that say they have them.

As for Fund Managers, you can choose the one that best fits your assessment tests and I&#039;ll choose the one that has 15 years of success and one huge failure. We&#039;ll talk again in 10 years.  

Keep in mind that I&#039;m not saying that there is a 1:1 relationship between past and future performance. I&#039;m saying it is the best predictor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long as a distinction between behavior and performance is not made, this discussion will continue to compare apples with fruitcakes. </p>
<p>In addition, goals, objectives, and quantitative results are the keys to my position. I hire people. I don&#8217;t offer people up to be hired. In that capacity I get to choose the performance indicators that best match the position I&#8217;m filling. Most importantly, the objective data provided along with that indicator is mine to accept or reject as relevant. If these are categorized as job competencies, so be it&#8230; but I want to look at the quantitative data related to the performance of that competency, not the test scores that say they have them.</p>
<p>As for Fund Managers, you can choose the one that best fits your assessment tests and I&#8217;ll choose the one that has 15 years of success and one huge failure. We&#8217;ll talk again in 10 years.  </p>
<p>Keep in mind that I&#8217;m not saying that there is a 1:1 relationship between past and future performance. I&#8217;m saying it is the best predictor.</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17254</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pretty clear that we could take lesson from Wall Street, &quot;...past performance of Fund Managers is not a predictor of future performance.&quot; The biggest mistake investors make is focusing in on last years fund performance and not on what really drives returns...

In our people centric world what really drives returns is a knowledge of the six keys to assessment succeess that are outlined at the beginning of this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty clear that we could take lesson from Wall Street, &#8220;&#8230;past performance of Fund Managers is not a predictor of future performance.&#8221; The biggest mistake investors make is focusing in on last years fund performance and not on what really drives returns&#8230;</p>
<p>In our people centric world what really drives returns is a knowledge of the six keys to assessment succeess that are outlined at the beginning of this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17253</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the biggest myths in our space is that the best predictor of future performance is past performance.  That being said, it&#039;s easier to sell candidates with a track record of success than those without.  Uncertainty is reduced when you can show a track record of success . . . but there&#039;s more to the stew than just the potatoes.

For example, consider the following:

a. Salesperson X is &#039;unsuccessful&#039; selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door at $100 USD+.
b. Same-said Salesperson X is &#039;successful&#039; selling enterprise level software packages at $1 Million USD+.

OR . . . 

a. Recruiter X is &#039;unsuccessful&#039; in a high-volume hiring environment involving hiring primarily transactional roles.
b. Same-said Recruiter X is &#039;successful&#039; in a highly targeted hiring environment involving the recruitment of highly tacit roles through relationship selling.

These are rudimentary examples, yet ones we can all relate to.  I have met many Recruiters who would perform sub-optimally in a &#039;body shop&#039; (i.e. org with high turnover and low morale) while they would thrive in a more high-performance environment despite the complexity of the roles they would be recruiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the biggest myths in our space is that the best predictor of future performance is past performance.  That being said, it&#8217;s easier to sell candidates with a track record of success than those without.  Uncertainty is reduced when you can show a track record of success . . . but there&#8217;s more to the stew than just the potatoes.</p>
<p>For example, consider the following:</p>
<p>a. Salesperson X is &#8216;unsuccessful&#8217; selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door at $100 USD+.<br />
b. Same-said Salesperson X is &#8216;successful&#8217; selling enterprise level software packages at $1 Million USD+.</p>
<p>OR . . . </p>
<p>a. Recruiter X is &#8216;unsuccessful&#8217; in a high-volume hiring environment involving hiring primarily transactional roles.<br />
b. Same-said Recruiter X is &#8216;successful&#8217; in a highly targeted hiring environment involving the recruitment of highly tacit roles through relationship selling.</p>
<p>These are rudimentary examples, yet ones we can all relate to.  I have met many Recruiters who would perform sub-optimally in a &#8216;body shop&#8217; (i.e. org with high turnover and low morale) while they would thrive in a more high-performance environment despite the complexity of the roles they would be recruiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Deighton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Deighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Article Dr. Williams.  I am suprised at some of the comments.  I disagree that past performance is the best predictor of future success, unless the person is in the same position with the same company with the same level of support and has the same external factors to work with.  In my twenty years of recruiting prior to my present career, I can provide hundreds of examples of individuals who did phenomenal at one employer only to fail miserably at the next in a similar role.   The point is the best predictor of success is how well does the person fit the role in your company, not how well they fit in someone else&#039;s company or to the industry.  Lastly, a person&#039;s behaviors drive their performance.  When this is understood and you know how the behavior relates to the performance you need, you can predictably select for performance by evaluating the behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Article Dr. Williams.  I am suprised at some of the comments.  I disagree that past performance is the best predictor of future success, unless the person is in the same position with the same company with the same level of support and has the same external factors to work with.  In my twenty years of recruiting prior to my present career, I can provide hundreds of examples of individuals who did phenomenal at one employer only to fail miserably at the next in a similar role.   The point is the best predictor of success is how well does the person fit the role in your company, not how well they fit in someone else&#8217;s company or to the industry.  Lastly, a person&#8217;s behaviors drive their performance.  When this is understood and you know how the behavior relates to the performance you need, you can predictably select for performance by evaluating the behaviors.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a good point that bears some discussion. Are you saying that you don&#039;t you believe inferring job competencies (by examining only past examples of performance) requires some pretty huge assumptions about what he or she did or said to achieve that performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a good point that bears some discussion. Are you saying that you don&#8217;t you believe inferring job competencies (by examining only past examples of performance) requires some pretty huge assumptions about what he or she did or said to achieve that performance?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Wendell... My comment was specific to past performance, not behavior.  Performance implies a measurable set of goals and objectives with quantifiable outcomes. If you hire someone for a job they have no experience doing why would you be surprised by failure?

Good-performer-bad-manager syndrome? Otherwise known as GPBMS?? Will HR forever try to broadly identify causal relationships by assessing individual interactions? This may work with huge data sets (and reliabilities/validities that &quot;support&quot; a decision) but in the real world we hire and fire one at a time.

How about: Past performance is still the best predictor of future success. Therefore, the Director needs to perform due diligence on the Manager&#039;s performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Wendell&#8230; My comment was specific to past performance, not behavior.  Performance implies a measurable set of goals and objectives with quantifiable outcomes. If you hire someone for a job they have no experience doing why would you be surprised by failure?</p>
<p>Good-performer-bad-manager syndrome? Otherwise known as GPBMS?? Will HR forever try to broadly identify causal relationships by assessing individual interactions? This may work with huge data sets (and reliabilities/validities that &#8220;support&#8221; a decision) but in the real world we hire and fire one at a time.</p>
<p>How about: Past performance is still the best predictor of future success. Therefore, the Director needs to perform due diligence on the Manager&#8217;s performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Dave Pollock...Evaluating past behavior is an assessment. It becomes a better predictor when the past job is an exact match for the future job. Otherwise, how can one explain the good-performer-bad-manager syndrome? PB is just another source of data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Dave Pollock&#8230;Evaluating past behavior is an assessment. It becomes a better predictor when the past job is an exact match for the future job. Otherwise, how can one explain the good-performer-bad-manager syndrome? PB is just another source of data.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17237</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was able to get a true structured interview implemented for field management with one of my past companies.  It truly made a difference in quality and retention.  Some side benefits became evident as well.
-speed of hiring...with the hiring team better calibrated decisions could be reached faster
-development for management...with a structured interview team members learn what their boss and peers think good looks like
I have personally used a structured interview when hiring recruiters for years.  It helps with the hiring decision but can also be a great benefit in understanding where a recruiter needs to focus on development...helps you start a development plan in the hiring process for your hires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to get a true structured interview implemented for field management with one of my past companies.  It truly made a difference in quality and retention.  Some side benefits became evident as well.<br />
-speed of hiring&#8230;with the hiring team better calibrated decisions could be reached faster<br />
-development for management&#8230;with a structured interview team members learn what their boss and peers think good looks like<br />
I have personally used a structured interview when hiring recruiters for years.  It helps with the hiring decision but can also be a great benefit in understanding where a recruiter needs to focus on development&#8230;helps you start a development plan in the hiring process for your hires.</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17234</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spend an enormous amount of time on researching predictable job performance indicators - and not being an IOP - most of that time is spent speaking with and reviewing what IOP&#039;s write on the topic.

I doubt if you will find a more direct, easy to grasp primer on the basics than what Dr. Williams has written today.  It is the road map for how to implement and what to include.  Thankfully, it will be extremely difficult for companies to incorporate, leaving market openings to those willing to fill the void for them.  

There are a ton of assessment companies in the marketplace - many of them excellent, many of them not.  In most cases the successful ones create industry, company and job specific measurement tools to benchmark against for 60-70% accuracy of predicted job performance.  The problem is that hiring managers will still revert to the caveman instincts that Dr. WIlliams mentions - ignoring the data in front of them.  If there was a source of information that provided both the clear job indicator measurements and the &quot;I love you Man!&quot; feel for hiring managers to review before meeting a prospective new hire - the world of hire turnover rates may begin to decline somewhat...but of course we will have to kill the resume off first...(OK - one thing at a time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spend an enormous amount of time on researching predictable job performance indicators &#8211; and not being an IOP &#8211; most of that time is spent speaking with and reviewing what IOP&#8217;s write on the topic.</p>
<p>I doubt if you will find a more direct, easy to grasp primer on the basics than what Dr. Williams has written today.  It is the road map for how to implement and what to include.  Thankfully, it will be extremely difficult for companies to incorporate, leaving market openings to those willing to fill the void for them.  </p>
<p>There are a ton of assessment companies in the marketplace &#8211; many of them excellent, many of them not.  In most cases the successful ones create industry, company and job specific measurement tools to benchmark against for 60-70% accuracy of predicted job performance.  The problem is that hiring managers will still revert to the caveman instincts that Dr. WIlliams mentions &#8211; ignoring the data in front of them.  If there was a source of information that provided both the clear job indicator measurements and the &#8220;I love you Man!&#8221; feel for hiring managers to review before meeting a prospective new hire &#8211; the world of hire turnover rates may begin to decline somewhat&#8230;but of course we will have to kill the resume off first&#8230;(OK &#8211; one thing at a time).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pollock</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/11/23/assessment/comment-page-1/#comment-17231</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KSA&#039;s, QOH, CPH, TQM, Time to Productivity, Job Fit, Talent Assessment, etc., etc., etc.

The best predictor of future success is past performance. Period.

Demand documented, verifiable, evidence of past performance and you&#039;ll save time, money, and acronyms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KSA&#8217;s, QOH, CPH, TQM, Time to Productivity, Job Fit, Talent Assessment, etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>The best predictor of future success is past performance. Period.</p>
<p>Demand documented, verifiable, evidence of past performance and you&#8217;ll save time, money, and acronyms.</p>
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