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		<title>By: Vind ipad</title>
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		<title>By: Looks Like Training&#8230;Not! at Amitai Givertz&#8217;s Recruitomatic Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Looks Like Training&#8230;Not! at Amitai Givertz&#8217;s Recruitomatic Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 10:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] reply to John Sullivan&#8217;s recent come-to-Jesus diatribe, Five Ugly Numbers That You Can’t Ignore – It’s Time to Calculate Hiring Failures on ERE.net, John Sumser now asks on HR Examiner: Why not give the whole problem over to the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reply to John Sullivan&#8217;s recent come-to-Jesus diatribe, Five Ugly Numbers That You Can’t Ignore – It’s Time to Calculate Hiring Failures on ERE.net, John Sumser now asks on HR Examiner: Why not give the whole problem over to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Svei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Svei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 04:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. I congratulate companies that pay recruiters $13/hour for getting results this good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. I congratulate companies that pay recruiters $13/hour for getting results this good.</p>
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		<title>By: Job Recruiting Is Kaput &#124; Glassdoor.com Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Job Recruiting Is Kaput &#124; Glassdoor.com Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 19:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] working properly.John Sullivan, a recruiting guru, laid out an enormous number of statistics around hiring failures. Here are some of the high points: “Within a year, hiring managers regret 50% of the hiring [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] working properly.John Sullivan, a recruiting guru, laid out an enormous number of statistics around hiring failures. Here are some of the high points: “Within a year, hiring managers regret 50% of the hiring [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Does Increasing Interviewing Accuracy Improve Quality of Hire? : ERE.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Increasing Interviewing Accuracy Improve Quality of Hire? : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Sullivan wrote a great piece on ERE a few months ago, titled Five Ugly Numbers You Can’t Ignore. John’s article pointed out public research indicating fundamental flaws with the interviewing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sullivan wrote a great piece on ERE a few months ago, titled Five Ugly Numbers You Can’t Ignore. John’s article pointed out public research indicating fundamental flaws with the interviewing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chock Full of Goodness: 10+ Article Faves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chock Full of Goodness: 10+ Article Faves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chock Full of Goodness: 10 Articles Faves &#171; Dig Deep Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chock Full of Goodness: 10 Articles Faves &#171; Dig Deep Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carol Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

Your comments further clarify and substantiate why companies like ours are in business.  I had this same conversation with an Angel yesterday with regards to companies thinking that 15-20% A Players is success rather than mediocrity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Your comments further clarify and substantiate why companies like ours are in business.  I had this same conversation with an Angel yesterday with regards to companies thinking that 15-20% A Players is success rather than mediocrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Metrics That Actually Mean Something : ERE.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metrics That Actually Mean Something : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] few weeks ago John Sullivan wrote an article citing a few disturbing recruiting numbers: 70% of participants are dissatisfied with the hiring process; 46% of new hires turned over within [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Hiring is Hard. Here&#8217;s Proof &#8211; Round Pegg &#171; Tech4buziness &#8211; Eng</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/10/26/five-ugly-numbers-that-you-cant-ignore-its-time-to-calculate-hiring-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-17124</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiring is Hard. Here&#8217;s Proof &#8211; Round Pegg &#171; Tech4buziness &#8211; Eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Dr. John Sullivan’s latest post at ERE pulls together a ton of shocking numbers that should convince you we need to find a better way. 50% new executive turnover — nearly half of new executive hires quit or are fired within the first 18 months at a new employer (Source: Corporate Leadership Council).  50% of the processes users (both managers and new hires) later regret their “buying” decision (Source: The Recruiting Roundtable). In addition, 25% of new hires later regret taking their new job within one year (Source: Challenger, Gray)  66% regret hiring decisions — Nearly two-thirds of hiring managers come to regret their interview-based hiring decisions (Source: DDI)  Hiring and retaining below or even average performers have real opportunity costs because top performers can increase productivity, revenue, and profit by between 40% and 67% over average performers (Source: McKinsey &amp; Co.)  Only a 19% success rate — only one out of five of the process output can be classified as unequivocal successes (Source: Leadership IQ).   via roundpegg.com [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr. John Sullivan’s latest post at ERE pulls together a ton of shocking numbers that should convince you we need to find a better way. 50% new executive turnover — nearly half of new executive hires quit or are fired within the first 18 months at a new employer (Source: Corporate Leadership Council).  50% of the processes users (both managers and new hires) later regret their “buying” decision (Source: The Recruiting Roundtable). In addition, 25% of new hires later regret taking their new job within one year (Source: Challenger, Gray)  66% regret hiring decisions — Nearly two-thirds of hiring managers come to regret their interview-based hiring decisions (Source: DDI)  Hiring and retaining below or even average performers have real opportunity costs because top performers can increase productivity, revenue, and profit by between 40% and 67% over average performers (Source: McKinsey &amp; Co.)  Only a 19% success rate — only one out of five of the process output can be classified as unequivocal successes (Source: Leadership IQ).   via roundpegg.com [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hiring is Hard. Here's Proof.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiring is Hard. Here's Proof.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Dr. John Sullivan&#8217;s latest post at ERE pulls together a ton of shocking numbers that should convince you we need to find a better way. 50% new executive turnover — nearly half of new executive hires quit or are fired within the first 18 months at a new employer (Source: Corporate Leadership Council). 50% of the processes users (both managers and new hires) later regret their “buying” decision (Source: The Recruiting Roundtable). In addition, 25% of new hires later regret taking their new job within one year (Source: Challenger, Gray) 66% regret hiring decisions — Nearly two-thirds of hiring managers come to regret their interview-based hiring decisions (Source: DDI) Hiring and retaining below or even average performers have real opportunity costs because top performers can increase productivity, revenue, and profit by between 40% and 67% over average performers (Source: McKinsey &amp; Co.) Only a 19% success rate — only one out of five of the process output can be classified as unequivocal successes (Source: Leadership IQ). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr. John Sullivan&#8217;s latest post at ERE pulls together a ton of shocking numbers that should convince you we need to find a better way. 50% new executive turnover — nearly half of new executive hires quit or are fired within the first 18 months at a new employer (Source: Corporate Leadership Council). 50% of the processes users (both managers and new hires) later regret their “buying” decision (Source: The Recruiting Roundtable). In addition, 25% of new hires later regret taking their new job within one year (Source: Challenger, Gray) 66% regret hiring decisions — Nearly two-thirds of hiring managers come to regret their interview-based hiring decisions (Source: DDI) Hiring and retaining below or even average performers have real opportunity costs because top performers can increase productivity, revenue, and profit by between 40% and 67% over average performers (Source: McKinsey &amp; Co.) Only a 19% success rate — only one out of five of the process output can be classified as unequivocal successes (Source: Leadership IQ). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Merlynn Bertini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merlynn Bertini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to take a somewhat different perspective on this issue.  While I agree with some of statements, I think it is too simplistic to call all of these issues &quot;hiring failures&quot;--especially with regard to turnover.  From my perspective I find it difficult to call a top performing candidate a &quot;hiring failure&quot; when the issue may lie in the on-boarding process, a re-org, lack of leadership, etc.  When companies are undergoing change, turmoil, high growth etc., and responsibilities become blurred, employee dissatisfaction becomes high and the result is turnover.  I believe process is important, but getting too focused on hiring in terms of only process and metrics is not necessarily productive--especially if one is not looking at the whole company and considering other factors that may be having an impact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to take a somewhat different perspective on this issue.  While I agree with some of statements, I think it is too simplistic to call all of these issues &#8220;hiring failures&#8221;&#8211;especially with regard to turnover.  From my perspective I find it difficult to call a top performing candidate a &#8220;hiring failure&#8221; when the issue may lie in the on-boarding process, a re-org, lack of leadership, etc.  When companies are undergoing change, turmoil, high growth etc., and responsibilities become blurred, employee dissatisfaction becomes high and the result is turnover.  I believe process is important, but getting too focused on hiring in terms of only process and metrics is not necessarily productive&#8211;especially if one is not looking at the whole company and considering other factors that may be having an impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikram Gundoju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikram Gundoju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, thanks for the thought provoking article.

Scott is right on. Talent acquisition is an organizational capability and should be treated as one. It is easier said that done and requires cross-functional collaboration at many levels, and  investments. This is precisely what makes it challenging. Developing this organizational capability is a serious undertaking and requires strong leadership and executive buy-in.

I suspect most large companies have defined processes around talent acquisition (at least on paper) and tons of data and metrics. But do they have a true capability around the hiring process? Process non-compliance, unreliable data, irrelevant metrics, and above all an inability to use the data effectively are not all that uncommon.

Vikram Gundoju
vik@saleswilling.com
http://www.SalesWilling.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thanks for the thought provoking article.</p>
<p>Scott is right on. Talent acquisition is an organizational capability and should be treated as one. It is easier said that done and requires cross-functional collaboration at many levels, and  investments. This is precisely what makes it challenging. Developing this organizational capability is a serious undertaking and requires strong leadership and executive buy-in.</p>
<p>I suspect most large companies have defined processes around talent acquisition (at least on paper) and tons of data and metrics. But do they have a true capability around the hiring process? Process non-compliance, unreliable data, irrelevant metrics, and above all an inability to use the data effectively are not all that uncommon.</p>
<p>Vikram Gundoju<br />
<a href="mailto:vik@saleswilling.com">vik@saleswilling.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.SalesWilling.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SalesWilling.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith, are you suggesting the following should be outsourced?:

&quot;... improving the quality of hires (aka, &#039;dealing with hiring managers unwilling to accept responsibility for their poor choices, lack of judgment, or inability to hire&#039;) are beyond the scope of a typical recruiter&#039;s duties.&quot;

IMHO, outsource accountability for QOH and you are now on a very slippery slope.  Why?  Because you can always point a finger at &#039;the consultant&#039;, aka  statements like &quot;That&#039;s the consultants fault.&quot; and &quot;I don&#039;t know - that&#039;s not my job.  Call the consultant.&quot;

Another IMHO, if the level of mutual respect is raised with the Hiring Manages, these concerns can be better breached (albeit with kid gloves and no criticism).  I may be incorrect, but some of the best Internal (and External) Recruiters I&#039;ve ever met have had the intangible qualities that lead to the breaking down of the walls you describe.

I&#039;m with you on the over-analyzing and over-obsession with metrics that results in measuring the wrong things.  However, I still believe in data collection (hopefully automated data collection that doesn&#039;t involve any further data entry) because &quot;what gets measured gets done.&quot;  Caveat Emptor, however, the challenge is measuring the right things or you have a mountain of meaningless metrics, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, are you suggesting the following should be outsourced?:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; improving the quality of hires (aka, &#8216;dealing with hiring managers unwilling to accept responsibility for their poor choices, lack of judgment, or inability to hire&#8217;) are beyond the scope of a typical recruiter&#8217;s duties.&#8221;</p>
<p>IMHO, outsource accountability for QOH and you are now on a very slippery slope.  Why?  Because you can always point a finger at &#8216;the consultant&#8217;, aka  statements like &#8220;That&#8217;s the consultants fault.&#8221; and &#8220;I don&#8217;t know &#8211; that&#8217;s not my job.  Call the consultant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another IMHO, if the level of mutual respect is raised with the Hiring Manages, these concerns can be better breached (albeit with kid gloves and no criticism).  I may be incorrect, but some of the best Internal (and External) Recruiters I&#8217;ve ever met have had the intangible qualities that lead to the breaking down of the walls you describe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on the over-analyzing and over-obsession with metrics that results in measuring the wrong things.  However, I still believe in data collection (hopefully automated data collection that doesn&#8217;t involve any further data entry) because &#8220;what gets measured gets done.&#8221;  Caveat Emptor, however, the challenge is measuring the right things or you have a mountain of meaningless metrics, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put, Jeremy. An important thing to consider is the value of the metric vs. the cost in time and other resources necessary to acquire and calculate it. Metrics should not be required merely because they can be calculated- they need to be justified as a cost. A rule of thumb is that no more than 5% of a recruiter&#039;s time should be spent documenting, measuring, and justifying what s/he does the other 95% of the time, which (IMHO) should be to quickly and affordably put quality butts in chairs. Other activities such as gathering metrics, building brand, increasing retention, and improving the quality of hires (aka, &quot;dealing with hiring managers unwilling to accept responsibility for their poor choices, lack of judgment, or inability to hire&quot;) are beyond the scope of a typical recruiter&#039;s duties. However, they seem like excellent duties to outsource or to bring in a Staffing Consultant like Dr. Sullivan.

Cheers,

KH]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Jeremy. An important thing to consider is the value of the metric vs. the cost in time and other resources necessary to acquire and calculate it. Metrics should not be required merely because they can be calculated- they need to be justified as a cost. A rule of thumb is that no more than 5% of a recruiter&#8217;s time should be spent documenting, measuring, and justifying what s/he does the other 95% of the time, which (IMHO) should be to quickly and affordably put quality butts in chairs. Other activities such as gathering metrics, building brand, increasing retention, and improving the quality of hires (aka, &#8220;dealing with hiring managers unwilling to accept responsibility for their poor choices, lack of judgment, or inability to hire&#8221;) are beyond the scope of a typical recruiter&#8217;s duties. However, they seem like excellent duties to outsource or to bring in a Staffing Consultant like Dr. Sullivan.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>KH</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Eskenazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Eskenazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate all discussion on Talent Management Metrics... and this was very enlightening. For all the years and all the discussions on what metrics we should or should not use, as Dr. Richard Beatty of Rutgers University says, we have to stop playing &quot;Metrics Jeopardy&quot;. Thats when we (in recruiting) have the answers and go looking for the questions. This is a powerful thought... what are the questions the business wants our metrics to answer? If I took every article, book, and discussion on recruiting metrics, I would have a basket of metrics that would take my organization many staff people to manage. But, in the end... we should only measure and provide the answers to questions the business wants our metrics to answer. The trick is sometimes, we need to help them out with understanding what we can offer and provide suggestions.

Jeremy Eskenazi
Managing Principal
Riviera Advisors, Inc.
www.RivieraAdvisors.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate all discussion on Talent Management Metrics&#8230; and this was very enlightening. For all the years and all the discussions on what metrics we should or should not use, as Dr. Richard Beatty of Rutgers University says, we have to stop playing &#8220;Metrics Jeopardy&#8221;. Thats when we (in recruiting) have the answers and go looking for the questions. This is a powerful thought&#8230; what are the questions the business wants our metrics to answer? If I took every article, book, and discussion on recruiting metrics, I would have a basket of metrics that would take my organization many staff people to manage. But, in the end&#8230; we should only measure and provide the answers to questions the business wants our metrics to answer. The trick is sometimes, we need to help them out with understanding what we can offer and provide suggestions.</p>
<p>Jeremy Eskenazi<br />
Managing Principal<br />
Riviera Advisors, Inc.<br />
<a href="http://www.RivieraAdvisors.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.RivieraAdvisors.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Staffing as Process

John, thanks for kicking up a storm of opinions in the measurement of staffing process yields. The metrics speak to the fact that most businesses still do not embrace talent acquisition as a process with inputs (candidates and candidate data), value-add components (descriptions, comparisons, evaluations) and yields (quits, terminations, performance variation).  Companies with a process mindset, create measurements and process improvement initiatives.  Firms who have embraced six sigma, or similar evidence-based decision making have learned that decisions driven largely by opinion are more prone to greater variation, or less predictable results.

Recruiters making decisions largely based upon their expert opinion, leave a lot on the table when it comes to driving business results.  A client that recently implemented an evidence-based candidate evaluation (local validation), was able to report a 89% reduction in 30 day new hire separation in one position and a 69% reduction in another.  These dramatic improvements highlight the variation in yield of expert opinion based hiring decisions as well as provide a documentation of return on investment from process improvement initiatives.

Thirty day separations would be viewed as waste in a manufacturing analogy:  Raw goods that never became finished goods.  In staffing process that equates to new hires that never even achieve proficiency.  

Waste creates rework.  Rework doubles the time and cost of talent in a staffing process.  Ouch!

Companies implement different processes for filling various positions.  As such, macro-level staffing metrics can be misleading.  Averages obscure the visibility to both the best and worst performing staffing outcomes.  I advocate reporting at the job level.  Companies report productivity at the product level, or line level. Staffing process yields should be measures with similar care.

Write me for a white paper: Staffing Waste: Identify it, Measure it, Reduce it.  It will invite you to rethink some of your staffing metrics and maybe even your staffing process.  

Joseph P. Murphy
Shaker Consulting Group
Developers of the Virtual Job Tryout® 
Joe.murphy@shakercg.com]]></description>
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<p>John, thanks for kicking up a storm of opinions in the measurement of staffing process yields. The metrics speak to the fact that most businesses still do not embrace talent acquisition as a process with inputs (candidates and candidate data), value-add components (descriptions, comparisons, evaluations) and yields (quits, terminations, performance variation).  Companies with a process mindset, create measurements and process improvement initiatives.  Firms who have embraced six sigma, or similar evidence-based decision making have learned that decisions driven largely by opinion are more prone to greater variation, or less predictable results.</p>
<p>Recruiters making decisions largely based upon their expert opinion, leave a lot on the table when it comes to driving business results.  A client that recently implemented an evidence-based candidate evaluation (local validation), was able to report a 89% reduction in 30 day new hire separation in one position and a 69% reduction in another.  These dramatic improvements highlight the variation in yield of expert opinion based hiring decisions as well as provide a documentation of return on investment from process improvement initiatives.</p>
<p>Thirty day separations would be viewed as waste in a manufacturing analogy:  Raw goods that never became finished goods.  In staffing process that equates to new hires that never even achieve proficiency.  </p>
<p>Waste creates rework.  Rework doubles the time and cost of talent in a staffing process.  Ouch!</p>
<p>Companies implement different processes for filling various positions.  As such, macro-level staffing metrics can be misleading.  Averages obscure the visibility to both the best and worst performing staffing outcomes.  I advocate reporting at the job level.  Companies report productivity at the product level, or line level. Staffing process yields should be measures with similar care.</p>
<p>Write me for a white paper: Staffing Waste: Identify it, Measure it, Reduce it.  It will invite you to rethink some of your staffing metrics and maybe even your staffing process.  </p>
<p>Joseph P. Murphy<br />
Shaker Consulting Group<br />
Developers of the Virtual Job Tryout®<br />
<a href="mailto:Joe.murphy@shakercg.com">Joe.murphy@shakercg.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beardsley</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/10/26/five-ugly-numbers-that-you-cant-ignore-its-time-to-calculate-hiring-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-16320</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Beardsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read the article again and find the numbers staggering. With all the money and people focused on the issue, for so long, you&#039;d think this problem would have been nailed by now!  I completely agree on a supply chain like analogy and agree that it would do the recruiting domain good to review process and sub process failure rates and trends. My favorite is the SER, or the Submittal Efficiency Ratio. Measures the failure of submittals to number of invites to interview. This metric should be shared with Hiring Managers and Recruiters, IMHO (lol).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the article again and find the numbers staggering. With all the money and people focused on the issue, for so long, you&#8217;d think this problem would have been nailed by now!  I completely agree on a supply chain like analogy and agree that it would do the recruiting domain good to review process and sub process failure rates and trends. My favorite is the SER, or the Submittal Efficiency Ratio. Measures the failure of submittals to number of invites to interview. This metric should be shared with Hiring Managers and Recruiters, IMHO (lol).</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/10/26/five-ugly-numbers-that-you-cant-ignore-its-time-to-calculate-hiring-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-16318</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMSM, managers are usually evaluated for deliverables such as a quality product/service which is on-time, within budget, and without excuses. IMHO, staffing should be a managerial deliverable, too.

Cheers,

Keith]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMSM, managers are usually evaluated for deliverables such as a quality product/service which is on-time, within budget, and without excuses. IMHO, staffing should be a managerial deliverable, too.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beardsley</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/10/26/five-ugly-numbers-that-you-cant-ignore-its-time-to-calculate-hiring-failures/comment-page-1/#comment-16316</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Beardsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good article, and some really passionate responses...I love it!  

I can really see David Lynn&#039;s point about how many angles this could have been viewed in, but I also received from excellent insights from the article itself...this will take me into some new directions as I continue to strive to build the perfect recruiting machine.  My take is, hiring is an organizational capability, and should be measured as one. To acheive this capability, you need to have the right combination of engaged and talented people (Recruiters AND Hiring Managers), consistent and repeatable processes, effective tools and driving leadership to create the desired organizational results...in this case Quaility Hires.  Too many times I see metrics aimed only at the Recruiting Org and Team, rarely the Companies collective organizational capability, and never the Hiring Manager effectiveness.  Very stimulating artilce!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article, and some really passionate responses&#8230;I love it!  </p>
<p>I can really see David Lynn&#8217;s point about how many angles this could have been viewed in, but I also received from excellent insights from the article itself&#8230;this will take me into some new directions as I continue to strive to build the perfect recruiting machine.  My take is, hiring is an organizational capability, and should be measured as one. To acheive this capability, you need to have the right combination of engaged and talented people (Recruiters AND Hiring Managers), consistent and repeatable processes, effective tools and driving leadership to create the desired organizational results&#8230;in this case Quaility Hires.  Too many times I see metrics aimed only at the Recruiting Org and Team, rarely the Companies collective organizational capability, and never the Hiring Manager effectiveness.  Very stimulating artilce!!</p>
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