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		<title>By: Warren Cusick</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-16091</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Cusick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too often, internal recruiters spend too much time looking for reasons to knock candidates out rather than look at them as a possible fit in another role.Doesn&#039;t fit opening exactly, so one and gone. Every candidate should be considered still an active viable candidate. I have found and hired vice presidents and directors from old resumes sent in to our company applicant tracking system,at various companies, where no one even looked at them! This included diverse executive candidates. 
Those candidates that are not engaged, not talked to, not considered, may land at a rival company going after the same business as your firm. They will remember the slight and do everything in their power to kick your company in the teeth every chance they get...........

Good article. Glad Microsoft is thinking way ahead that these candidates or applicants are not only potential fits down the road, but could end up with potential business partners or with business rivals out for blood.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too often, internal recruiters spend too much time looking for reasons to knock candidates out rather than look at them as a possible fit in another role.Doesn&#8217;t fit opening exactly, so one and gone. Every candidate should be considered still an active viable candidate. I have found and hired vice presidents and directors from old resumes sent in to our company applicant tracking system,at various companies, where no one even looked at them! This included diverse executive candidates.<br />
Those candidates that are not engaged, not talked to, not considered, may land at a rival company going after the same business as your firm. They will remember the slight and do everything in their power to kick your company in the teeth every chance they get&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Good article. Glad Microsoft is thinking way ahead that these candidates or applicants are not only potential fits down the road, but could end up with potential business partners or with business rivals out for blood&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Being on the Cutting Edge Can Be Challenging &#171; The Source Newsletter</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-15522</link>
		<dc:creator>Being on the Cutting Edge Can Be Challenging &#171; The Source Newsletter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the talent engagement!  In a recent article, I discussed our “talent engagement model” (see figure 3) in greater detail.  The essence of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin,

Kudos on a well-written article...

Cheers,

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin,</p>
<p>Kudos on a well-written article&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Gutmacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-15162</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Gutmacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Marvin&#039;s doing great stuff, and I&#039;m happy to say &quot;I knew him when&quot; he was just starting to test the synergies between social recruiting, physical event recruiting and other &quot;traditional&quot; methods when we were both at MSFT.  I knew it was great stuff, then, too, and was happy when he accepted my invitation to make one of his first full group presentations internally to Microsoft&#039;s Global Central Sourcing Team a couple of years ago.  Fortunately, MS now lets him share those insights externally, too.  If you didn&#039;t catch his much larger presentation at ERE last week, don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m sure it won&#039;t be his last!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Marvin&#8217;s doing great stuff, and I&#8217;m happy to say &#8220;I knew him when&#8221; he was just starting to test the synergies between social recruiting, physical event recruiting and other &#8220;traditional&#8221; methods when we were both at MSFT.  I knew it was great stuff, then, too, and was happy when he accepted my invitation to make one of his first full group presentations internally to Microsoft&#8217;s Global Central Sourcing Team a couple of years ago.  Fortunately, MS now lets him share those insights externally, too.  If you didn&#8217;t catch his much larger presentation at ERE last week, don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m sure it won&#8217;t be his last!</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Adamsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Adamsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. Thought provoking and informative. This is really great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. Thought provoking and informative. This is really great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: John Hennessy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14748</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin:

interesting - but from an applicant&#039;s pov the effects are difficult to see. MS stays a teflon mountain (and I do have the 180 IQ), with little obvious engagement into my fields at least (high-tech, moving very dense manufacturing information around, combining data....)

I believe we need a much richer way to elicit skills, abilities, potential. The standard resume and the resume polishing industry are an impediment to achieving this. 

Well, I&#039;m off to ping the MS Recruiting site and see if I can exploit my new knowledge!

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin:</p>
<p>interesting &#8211; but from an applicant&#8217;s pov the effects are difficult to see. MS stays a teflon mountain (and I do have the 180 IQ), with little obvious engagement into my fields at least (high-tech, moving very dense manufacturing information around, combining data&#8230;.)</p>
<p>I believe we need a much richer way to elicit skills, abilities, potential. The standard resume and the resume polishing industry are an impediment to achieving this. </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m off to ping the MS Recruiting site and see if I can exploit my new knowledge!</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Langhans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Langhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOTKIN !!   YOU COMING TO POKER AT ERE NEXT WEEK BRO ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOTKIN !!   YOU COMING TO POKER AT ERE NEXT WEEK BRO ??</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Westover</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14593</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Westover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Marvin. Looking forward to connecting at ERE!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Hennessy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14563</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin, an excellent article that clearly explains why companies really need to think about sourcing as a &quot;Marketing&quot; activity. It&#039;s not just about the applicant, it&#039;s about those relationships and creating processes which enables that across an entire organziation. 

We&#039;ve built a recruitment marketing platform that helps companies automate the entire process, check us out at http://www.smashfly.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin, an excellent article that clearly explains why companies really need to think about sourcing as a &#8220;Marketing&#8221; activity. It&#8217;s not just about the applicant, it&#8217;s about those relationships and creating processes which enables that across an entire organziation. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve built a recruitment marketing platform that helps companies automate the entire process, check us out at <a href="http://www.smashfly.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.smashfly.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Dahlby</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14541</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Dahlby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This the best article about talent management posted on ERE to date this year. Thank you so much for sharing - I&#039;m keeping a copy on file to send to all my clients. In the age of social networks and the changes it brings to relationship building &amp; branding, the model you presented is surely the way of the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This the best article about talent management posted on ERE to date this year. Thank you so much for sharing &#8211; I&#8217;m keeping a copy on file to send to all my clients. In the age of social networks and the changes it brings to relationship building &amp; branding, the model you presented is surely the way of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary.  Thanks for the note.  The site has been very well received by users thus far.  We are adding 100 to 200 members a week.  John Zappe gave us a nice mention not too long ago in one of his articles.  I have been leading recruiting teams for many years and sought to bring something into play that would be a positive change for all.  The examples on the site help clarify better than I can in words.
Seven lines down I should have said &quot;static&quot; in place of &quot;organic&quot;.  Resumes and postings are organic as they grow as people contribute questions and answers to both.  Thanks, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary.  Thanks for the note.  The site has been very well received by users thus far.  We are adding 100 to 200 members a week.  John Zappe gave us a nice mention not too long ago in one of his articles.  I have been leading recruiting teams for many years and sought to bring something into play that would be a positive change for all.  The examples on the site help clarify better than I can in words.<br />
Seven lines down I should have said &#8220;static&#8221; in place of &#8220;organic&#8221;.  Resumes and postings are organic as they grow as people contribute questions and answers to both.  Thanks, John</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Schaefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Hughes:  The idea of BigDogHub sounds brilliant.  I didn&#039;t see where you used the word &quot;static.&quot;  Please clarify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hughes:  The idea of BigDogHub sounds brilliant.  I didn&#8217;t see where you used the word &#8220;static.&#8221;  Please clarify.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14494</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maureen-Genius at Microsoft?  You must be talking about my boss.

Heidi-thanks for the kind words.  I appreciate your insights about administrators.  Our is and will always be a people business.

Marilou, Kristi, Sue, &amp; Mary—thanks for the encouragement.

Jeremy-  as always, you add to the conversation.

Ted—I saw the buzz  in ERE that Grouper Eye us is game changing.  Looking forward to your launch.

John—I will check out “bigdoghub”

Ben—I appreciate your feedback—especially from someone that “gets it.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maureen-Genius at Microsoft?  You must be talking about my boss.</p>
<p>Heidi-thanks for the kind words.  I appreciate your insights about administrators.  Our is and will always be a people business.</p>
<p>Marilou, Kristi, Sue, &#038; Mary—thanks for the encouragement.</p>
<p>Jeremy-  as always, you add to the conversation.</p>
<p>Ted—I saw the buzz  in ERE that Grouper Eye us is game changing.  Looking forward to your launch.</p>
<p>John—I will check out “bigdoghub”</p>
<p>Ben—I appreciate your feedback—especially from someone that “gets it.”</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14492</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan-we use phone sourcing, as well as, Internet Sourcing as part of our inputs into our TalentStream Strategy.  Targeting the right audience requires using name generation activities, as well as, aggregating information from a variety of sources.  Since we build pipelines for (10) different functional areas,  we use a wide variety of resources to identify and engage the target audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan-we use phone sourcing, as well as, Internet Sourcing as part of our inputs into our TalentStream Strategy.  Targeting the right audience requires using name generation activities, as well as, aggregating information from a variety of sources.  Since we build pipelines for (10) different functional areas,  we use a wide variety of resources to identify and engage the target audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Leary</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14491</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin - As always great article. I can&#039;t be at ERE but I&#039;m looking forward to catching up wiht you. @Maureen I agree, step 1 at MS is 180+ on the IQ. 

Marvin, since joined the conversation, how do you incorporate phone sourcing into this process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin &#8211; As always great article. I can&#8217;t be at ERE but I&#8217;m looking forward to catching up wiht you. @Maureen I agree, step 1 at MS is 180+ on the IQ. </p>
<p>Marvin, since joined the conversation, how do you incorporate phone sourcing into this process?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Gotkin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14488</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Gotkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin,

Wonderful article!  You are spot on with this, especially in a time when companies are being more selective than ever and when there are in some cases many more qualified candidates than there are jobs.  Companies that ignore our lose out on those who they can&#039;t hire today but may need tomorrow will suffer in the long run for sure.

This model is really about applying technology to cultivate relationships and expand communications on a scale that just were not possible before.  On top of that, it can be relatively easy to set up (although harder to maintain), and rather inexpensive (if not free if you can do it all in house).

Thanks for sharing, I&#039;m always learning something from you...

Ben Gotkin
National Recruiting Director
RSM McGladrey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin,</p>
<p>Wonderful article!  You are spot on with this, especially in a time when companies are being more selective than ever and when there are in some cases many more qualified candidates than there are jobs.  Companies that ignore our lose out on those who they can&#8217;t hire today but may need tomorrow will suffer in the long run for sure.</p>
<p>This model is really about applying technology to cultivate relationships and expand communications on a scale that just were not possible before.  On top of that, it can be relatively easy to set up (although harder to maintain), and rather inexpensive (if not free if you can do it all in house).</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, I&#8217;m always learning something from you&#8230;</p>
<p>Ben Gotkin<br />
National Recruiting Director<br />
RSM McGladrey</p>
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		<title>By: John Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14485</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meant to say &quot;living&quot; rather than static above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meant to say &#8220;living&#8221; rather than static above.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14484</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marvin.  We couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  We have created a site called www.bigdoghub.com that is the first site to have interactive resumes and job postings.  (patent pending)  We have merged discussion boards into resumes and job postings.  This allows members to post questions directly to postings rather than sending their resume into a &quot;black hole&quot;.  This empowers the candidate and makes the engagement process efficient and simple.  Other members can also view the Q/A on each posting making the posting &quot;living&quot; rather than organic.  The same is true of resumes.  Employers can post questions to resumes rather than having to track down applicants to get basic questions answered.  This makes it quicker and easier to get engaged.  Other employers can also view the Q/A. We have also embraced social media.  Members and employers can add vids, pics, interests and career goals, blogs, and links all on one page.  We are offering the technology for lease at a nominal fee to use on corporate sites as we are trying to change the way employer and job seeker engage!  Please give me a call.  
210-391-5031</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marvin.  We couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  We have created a site called <a href="http://www.bigdoghub.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bigdoghub.com</a> that is the first site to have interactive resumes and job postings.  (patent pending)  We have merged discussion boards into resumes and job postings.  This allows members to post questions directly to postings rather than sending their resume into a &#8220;black hole&#8221;.  This empowers the candidate and makes the engagement process efficient and simple.  Other members can also view the Q/A on each posting making the posting &#8220;living&#8221; rather than organic.  The same is true of resumes.  Employers can post questions to resumes rather than having to track down applicants to get basic questions answered.  This makes it quicker and easier to get engaged.  Other employers can also view the Q/A. We have also embraced social media.  Members and employers can add vids, pics, interests and career goals, blogs, and links all on one page.  We are offering the technology for lease at a nominal fee to use on corporate sites as we are trying to change the way employer and job seeker engage!  Please give me a call.<br />
210-391-5031</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/09/03/sourcing-insights-no-more-apply-or-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-14483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My team will launch a product that does this in 12 days. It&#039;s simple. It&#039;s also hair-raising-exciting. We&#039;re pumped. 

I agree with everything you wrote except that the focus should not be on one way distribution or non-predictive friendly messaging - it needs to be based around doing real stuff. When it&#039;s based around real stuff, it gets scary exciting. Then we flip the switch and talk about this talent community as revenue generating - this is when things get freakishly game-changing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My team will launch a product that does this in 12 days. It&#8217;s simple. It&#8217;s also hair-raising-exciting. We&#8217;re pumped. </p>
<p>I agree with everything you wrote except that the focus should not be on one way distribution or non-predictive friendly messaging &#8211; it needs to be based around doing real stuff. When it&#8217;s based around real stuff, it gets scary exciting. Then we flip the switch and talk about this talent community as revenue generating &#8211; this is when things get freakishly game-changing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Langhans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Langhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes Maureen - 

A lot of the &#039;Talent Engagement&#039; folks at Microsoft (past &amp; present) are pretty much über IQ, but they also are very curious by nature / not afraid to try something and have it fail miserably.  I recall many a &quot;post-mortems&quot; meeting during the 3 contracts over 6 years that was my MS exp.  These post-mortems were critical to hash out what went right, wrong, etc after a Strategic Sourcing Initiative.  

After that, you are then able to see if you can duplicate the winning processes and move forward (which is probably where some of the above chart got vetted).  This is the key difference between Corporate Sourcing Teams that sit around and just talk about how cool something might be &amp; the folks that legitimately try it; most times on their own without any outside help.  Although, I think Marvin might be promoting a couple key Vendors presently to help do the tactical to MS&#039;s strategy.


The stuff I hear from Marvin, Kay, etc. out of there shows that MS is still a Leader in the space!  GOOD JOB TEAM

jer
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes Maureen &#8211; </p>
<p>A lot of the &#8216;Talent Engagement&#8217; folks at Microsoft (past &amp; present) are pretty much über IQ, but they also are very curious by nature / not afraid to try something and have it fail miserably.  I recall many a &#8220;post-mortems&#8221; meeting during the 3 contracts over 6 years that was my MS exp.  These post-mortems were critical to hash out what went right, wrong, etc after a Strategic Sourcing Initiative.  </p>
<p>After that, you are then able to see if you can duplicate the winning processes and move forward (which is probably where some of the above chart got vetted).  This is the key difference between Corporate Sourcing Teams that sit around and just talk about how cool something might be &amp; the folks that legitimately try it; most times on their own without any outside help.  Although, I think Marvin might be promoting a couple key Vendors presently to help do the tactical to MS&#8217;s strategy.</p>
<p>The stuff I hear from Marvin, Kay, etc. out of there shows that MS is still a Leader in the space!  GOOD JOB TEAM</p>
<p>jer<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. ★ sourcer</p>
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