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		<title>By: Dice Offers Searchers Something Extra, Passive Candidates : ERE.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dice Offers Searchers Something Extra, Passive Candidates : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dice&#8217;s new feature is a curious twist on the usual recruiter pursuit of the passive candidate, a subject that&#8217;s come in for some ethical give and take in this economy. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Passive Candidates vs. Unemployed Candidates &#124; Career Management Alliance Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/20/where-the-truth-lies-the-need-for-balance-between-active-and-passive-recruiting/comment-page-1/#comment-14490</link>
		<dc:creator>Passive Candidates vs. Unemployed Candidates &#124; Career Management Alliance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] op ed piece on ERE.net by Jeremy Eskenazi entitled “Where the Truth Lies: The Need for Balance Between Active and Passive Recruiting” ... naturally ... caught my attention. I say “naturally” because I am always interested in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] op ed piece on ERE.net by Jeremy Eskenazi entitled “Where the Truth Lies: The Need for Balance Between Active and Passive Recruiting” &#8230; naturally &#8230; caught my attention. I say “naturally” because I am always interested in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe the active vs. passive debate continues.  Someone working at their desk today is a great candidate because they&#039;re passive.  Tonight they answer an ad or post their resume and suddenly they&#039;re not a great candidate because they&#039;re active?  That doesn&#039;t make sense.  Active or passive doesn&#039;t determine the best candidate for a job.  One is not inherently better than the other and the recruiter who only sources from one isn&#039;t doing all they should to provide the best candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe the active vs. passive debate continues.  Someone working at their desk today is a great candidate because they&#8217;re passive.  Tonight they answer an ad or post their resume and suddenly they&#8217;re not a great candidate because they&#8217;re active?  That doesn&#8217;t make sense.  Active or passive doesn&#8217;t determine the best candidate for a job.  One is not inherently better than the other and the recruiter who only sources from one isn&#8217;t doing all they should to provide the best candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Adamsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Adamsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Brenda; it happens every single day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Brenda; it happens every single day!</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda Le</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard, great response, very well said!  And you know it happens somewhere, right?

Brenda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard, great response, very well said!  And you know it happens somewhere, right?</p>
<p>Brenda</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a TPR we focus on the &quot;passive talent&quot; mainly because if a company is actively looking, posting ads everywhere, and doing their own sourcing then it is our job to be a value added service and show them talent they would not see otherwise.  Having siad that, I do work with and actively seek out the active candidates (employed or not) that fit the specs for the positions we are engaged on for our clients and customers.

I agree wholeheartedly with Jeremy in that we all must look at ALL potential candidates, especially in this market when entire operations have been closed, plants shuttered and staffs cut (not just the &quot;fat&quot; but muscle and bone too).  In these situations even the best and the brightest can get caught - does anyone NOT want to see these people if they fit your job, company and team dynamic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a TPR we focus on the &#8220;passive talent&#8221; mainly because if a company is actively looking, posting ads everywhere, and doing their own sourcing then it is our job to be a value added service and show them talent they would not see otherwise.  Having siad that, I do work with and actively seek out the active candidates (employed or not) that fit the specs for the positions we are engaged on for our clients and customers.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with Jeremy in that we all must look at ALL potential candidates, especially in this market when entire operations have been closed, plants shuttered and staffs cut (not just the &#8220;fat&#8221; but muscle and bone too).  In these situations even the best and the brightest can get caught &#8211; does anyone NOT want to see these people if they fit your job, company and team dynamic?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Lyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Lyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost said to a client, &quot;who would you rather have the person that was let go from your competitor, or the person still there&quot;? 

Boy am I glad I did not say that because later in qualifying the order I found out his wife was just down sized.

I think it is important to look at everyone and present toughs that are qualified. The only thing scary about present an active candidate (at least in my company. We work both direct and contingent), is there is a better chance the customer may flip the candidate into accepting a temporary to ire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost said to a client, &#8220;who would you rather have the person that was let go from your competitor, or the person still there&#8221;? </p>
<p>Boy am I glad I did not say that because later in qualifying the order I found out his wife was just down sized.</p>
<p>I think it is important to look at everyone and present toughs that are qualified. The only thing scary about present an active candidate (at least in my company. We work both direct and contingent), is there is a better chance the customer may flip the candidate into accepting a temporary to ire.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Adamsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Adamsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeking to hire only passive candidates is not only tragically flawed as it drastically reduces the candidate pool; it is also discrimination in its purest and most malevolent fashion. 

Call me a nihilist but to not give equal consideration to candidates who worked for organizations that have had massive layoffs or worse, been victims of corporate malfeasance in this unspeakable meltdown is evil beyond all manner of thought or action as it takes individuals who have been victimized and victimizes them yet again. 

If I knew of an organization that did not consider hiring candidates because another company did not already employ them, I would stay up nights figuring out how to not buy their products or services. When I got that straight, I would stay up more nights figuring out a way to see that everyone else on the planet did not buy them either. Let them sell to their passive candidates.

Howard@howardadamsky.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeking to hire only passive candidates is not only tragically flawed as it drastically reduces the candidate pool; it is also discrimination in its purest and most malevolent fashion. </p>
<p>Call me a nihilist but to not give equal consideration to candidates who worked for organizations that have had massive layoffs or worse, been victims of corporate malfeasance in this unspeakable meltdown is evil beyond all manner of thought or action as it takes individuals who have been victimized and victimizes them yet again. </p>
<p>If I knew of an organization that did not consider hiring candidates because another company did not already employ them, I would stay up nights figuring out how to not buy their products or services. When I got that straight, I would stay up more nights figuring out a way to see that everyone else on the planet did not buy them either. Let them sell to their passive candidates.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:Howard@howardadamsky.com">Howard@howardadamsky.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Eskenazi</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/20/where-the-truth-lies-the-need-for-balance-between-active-and-passive-recruiting/comment-page-1/#comment-14135</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Eskenazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments everyone. The story I related to regarding the head of an executive search firm was in fact a story that was shared with me by a colleague who worked for that search firm. Although I was not there, it was truthfully related to me by my colleague who was attending an executive retreat for a worldwide executive search firm. The point I was trying to make was not indicting any executive search person, but ANYONE (corporate HR, Hiring Manager, Executive, or search person), who implies that anyone who is unemployed is inferior. That was the point. And, the point is that there must be a middle ground between ALL passive and ALL active. Thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments everyone. The story I related to regarding the head of an executive search firm was in fact a story that was shared with me by a colleague who worked for that search firm. Although I was not there, it was truthfully related to me by my colleague who was attending an executive retreat for a worldwide executive search firm. The point I was trying to make was not indicting any executive search person, but ANYONE (corporate HR, Hiring Manager, Executive, or search person), who implies that anyone who is unemployed is inferior. That was the point. And, the point is that there must be a middle ground between ALL passive and ALL active. Thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thought out article.  I agree with you about the &quot;misguided reasoning&quot; in the Workforce Management article. That article is wrong on so many levels.  But on the most basic of levels, the author is taking an antidotal situation and making it a widespread trend.  Secondly, the person quoted was involved in executive recruiting which is a unique (and much smaller) portion of the market.  In my experience, if the active prospect is qualified (regardless of level) they will be interviewed for an opening.

The facts are most of us cannot meet our talent demands by relying on just the active job seeker.  If only 14-20% of the talent supply looking for work, the odds of an active jobseeker having the specific skills that a job might require is very small.  And as you article (and feedback to your article) suggests we need to be active in multiple channels.  In my world, it is not about active vs. causal, passive or inactive job seeker, it is about recruiting the best talent to meet the businesses needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thought out article.  I agree with you about the &#8220;misguided reasoning&#8221; in the Workforce Management article. That article is wrong on so many levels.  But on the most basic of levels, the author is taking an antidotal situation and making it a widespread trend.  Secondly, the person quoted was involved in executive recruiting which is a unique (and much smaller) portion of the market.  In my experience, if the active prospect is qualified (regardless of level) they will be interviewed for an opening.</p>
<p>The facts are most of us cannot meet our talent demands by relying on just the active job seeker.  If only 14-20% of the talent supply looking for work, the odds of an active jobseeker having the specific skills that a job might require is very small.  And as you article (and feedback to your article) suggests we need to be active in multiple channels.  In my world, it is not about active vs. causal, passive or inactive job seeker, it is about recruiting the best talent to meet the businesses needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cargill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cargill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy L.

I guess you skipped the part of the article, actually the very first line, that reads, &quot;I once heard a story that the CEO of a major executive search firm told...&quot;. You also skipped over the fact that what you have quoted is simply the author&#039;s summary. It is not a quote!

The writer is relaying something they simply heard about. In all likelihood, it is fictional. You, however, have taken &quot;the story&quot; as fact, accepted the author&#039;s summary as fact and quote, and loosed your outrageous bias against agency recruiters upon the rest of us. 

You might want to rethink you use of the term &quot;ignorant&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy L.</p>
<p>I guess you skipped the part of the article, actually the very first line, that reads, &#8220;I once heard a story that the CEO of a major executive search firm told&#8230;&#8221;. You also skipped over the fact that what you have quoted is simply the author&#8217;s summary. It is not a quote!</p>
<p>The writer is relaying something they simply heard about. In all likelihood, it is fictional. You, however, have taken &#8220;the story&#8221; as fact, accepted the author&#8217;s summary as fact and quote, and loosed your outrageous bias against agency recruiters upon the rest of us. </p>
<p>You might want to rethink you use of the term &#8220;ignorant&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion the most important difference between active and passive candidates is situational. 

Active candidates = likely to know you&#039;re hiring.

Passive candidates = unlikely to know you&#039;re hiring.

A thorough search for the ideal candidate may often involve engaging both types of candidates.  Because many large companies post positions and attract active candidates it is important that the search firm they choose to partner with works on engaging passive candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion the most important difference between active and passive candidates is situational. </p>
<p>Active candidates = likely to know you&#8217;re hiring.</p>
<p>Passive candidates = unlikely to know you&#8217;re hiring.</p>
<p>A thorough search for the ideal candidate may often involve engaging both types of candidates.  Because many large companies post positions and attract active candidates it is important that the search firm they choose to partner with works on engaging passive candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Langhans</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/20/where-the-truth-lies-the-need-for-balance-between-active-and-passive-recruiting/comment-page-1/#comment-14104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Langhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello fellow Jeremy...

this statement is so ignorant, but not surprised it came out of an Agency&#039;s mouth:  &quot;anyone who is unemployed is inferior.&quot;

20 bucks says that CEO has been unemployed since then ;)

/touché</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello fellow Jeremy&#8230;</p>
<p>this statement is so ignorant, but not surprised it came out of an Agency&#8217;s mouth:  &#8220;anyone who is unemployed is inferior.&#8221;</p>
<p>20 bucks says that CEO has been unemployed since then ;)</p>
<p>/touché</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi Burkley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi Burkley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy: 

I loved your article!  In my experience, I assumed that recruiting was so easy anybody could do it. Hence, I found it astonishing when many HM&#039;s struggled to find quality staff. Upon gaining a deeper understanding of the challenges the HM&#039;s faced, I found that the truth is many HM&#039;s relied upon a single methodology of recruiting &quot;post, pray and hope&quot; or a hit and miss strategy.  When this method did not provide the results they sought, panic set in.  

I&#039;ve learned in many cases recruiting is not a problem for an operator until a need arises (understaffed). To make matters worse the decision making process is complicated when there&#039;s a lack of understanding in interviewing and selection. Ultimately, if desperation sets in, they will hire a warm body.  It can be a negative cycle and counter productive to business growth.  I&#039;ve learned that companies that have a recruiting culture and value talent pools do much better.  

In my experience, I’ve found that the key is to have the following: multiple channels of attracting quality staff on a continuous basis; building your image and connections within the community (on and offline) and integrating strategic partnership with your resources in which, they have a clear understanding of your target market (in turn becoming an extension of your team). 

I&#039;ve believe that quality and the right fit are more imperative to the hiring process than making assumptions about &quot;employed vs. unemployed&quot; people because there are too many circumstances to make those assumptions.  In conclusion, it&#039;s important to look at the whole picture, diversify your efforts and build a solid recruiting strategy, which include metrics, in order to create sound hiring processes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy: </p>
<p>I loved your article!  In my experience, I assumed that recruiting was so easy anybody could do it. Hence, I found it astonishing when many HM&#8217;s struggled to find quality staff. Upon gaining a deeper understanding of the challenges the HM&#8217;s faced, I found that the truth is many HM&#8217;s relied upon a single methodology of recruiting &#8220;post, pray and hope&#8221; or a hit and miss strategy.  When this method did not provide the results they sought, panic set in.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned in many cases recruiting is not a problem for an operator until a need arises (understaffed). To make matters worse the decision making process is complicated when there&#8217;s a lack of understanding in interviewing and selection. Ultimately, if desperation sets in, they will hire a warm body.  It can be a negative cycle and counter productive to business growth.  I&#8217;ve learned that companies that have a recruiting culture and value talent pools do much better.  </p>
<p>In my experience, I’ve found that the key is to have the following: multiple channels of attracting quality staff on a continuous basis; building your image and connections within the community (on and offline) and integrating strategic partnership with your resources in which, they have a clear understanding of your target market (in turn becoming an extension of your team). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve believe that quality and the right fit are more imperative to the hiring process than making assumptions about &#8220;employed vs. unemployed&#8221; people because there are too many circumstances to make those assumptions.  In conclusion, it&#8217;s important to look at the whole picture, diversify your efforts and build a solid recruiting strategy, which include metrics, in order to create sound hiring processes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Steir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Steir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having built a MBA recruiting service at www.mbaglobalnet.com that features &quot;passive candidates&quot; I understand the &quot;active&quot; versus &quot;passive&quot; dance for recruiters.   

I own the URL:  talenpools.com and invite any HR entrepreneur interested in building out a new &quot;passive&quot; candidate service to let me know.  I have the business model figured out, but need a passionate person to help &quot;sweat equity&quot; build it as I don&#039;t have the time.

Best,

Rob Steir
rsteir@talentpools.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having built a MBA recruiting service at <a href="http://www.mbaglobalnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbaglobalnet.com</a> that features &#8220;passive candidates&#8221; I understand the &#8220;active&#8221; versus &#8220;passive&#8221; dance for recruiters.   </p>
<p>I own the URL:  talenpools.com and invite any HR entrepreneur interested in building out a new &#8220;passive&#8221; candidate service to let me know.  I have the business model figured out, but need a passionate person to help &#8220;sweat equity&#8221; build it as I don&#8217;t have the time.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Rob Steir<br />
<a href="mailto:rsteir@talentpools.com">rsteir@talentpools.com</a></p>
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