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	<title>Comments on: Recruitment Ad Startup Closes, Lamenting HR&#8217;s Status</title>
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		<title>By: TalentSeekr: A Smart Way (That Gets Even Smarter) To Find Talent : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-15208</link>
		<dc:creator>TalentSeekr: A Smart Way (That Gets Even Smarter) To Find Talent : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The heuristic nature of the system sets it apart from other advertising networks, most recently SnapTalent, which closed up shop in August. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gerry Crispin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-14060</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry Crispin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the viability of SnapTalent&#039;s premise neither the economic meltdown nor the perceived capabilities of HR have as much to do with their success IMHO. Yes, timing is key and bad timing coupled with not having deep pockets is a problem but that is a basic business choice. Failures in our space are legion even in good times and I attribute the majority of them to two challenges:

1. &quot;Due Diligence&quot;. Recruiting is not a simple, centralized marketplace. Not globally. Not in the US. HR is not at its center despite all the hype and bluster. No one is. The fragments that make up recruiting are many and they operate as independent silos. Convergence is an illusion. There is a reason why you can go to dozens of conferences and, with few exceptions, never see people with similar jobs. The folks who get sourcing, the folks who sell SEO/SEM and the folks who do College Recruiting live on separate planets- just one example of many. The people who can even breathe the air of all these different planets are few- but you can find them. Most entrepreneurs coming in to this space with no prior staffing background and a great ideas take several years to figure this out- lots of ways to short cut this and SnapTalent was certainly trying by getting involved in activities with ERE that gave them feedback. Making sense of the info is another matter.

2. Noise Ratio. The number of people with great new ideas trying to get face/phone/internet time with a decision maker in a company is extraordinary. Could be 10-20 different folks every day. Day in. Day out. Week in Week out. Their messages are so similar- &quot;we offer an integrated, global, end-to-end solution bolted to your existing enterprise-wide HR/ATS/CRM to channel passive/quality prospects into a candidate pipeline at lower cost/higher quality etc.&quot;

That being said, Staffing will continue to evolve rapidly in the next few years and there is extraordinary money to be made (much more than the 10B figure mentioned). All the current ways that employers spend money on staffing are up for grabs....for anyone a) with the ability to collect good data from the right stakeholders and make sense of it and b) with the marketing and branding savvy to cut through the noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the viability of SnapTalent&#8217;s premise neither the economic meltdown nor the perceived capabilities of HR have as much to do with their success IMHO. Yes, timing is key and bad timing coupled with not having deep pockets is a problem but that is a basic business choice. Failures in our space are legion even in good times and I attribute the majority of them to two challenges:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Due Diligence&#8221;. Recruiting is not a simple, centralized marketplace. Not globally. Not in the US. HR is not at its center despite all the hype and bluster. No one is. The fragments that make up recruiting are many and they operate as independent silos. Convergence is an illusion. There is a reason why you can go to dozens of conferences and, with few exceptions, never see people with similar jobs. The folks who get sourcing, the folks who sell SEO/SEM and the folks who do College Recruiting live on separate planets- just one example of many. The people who can even breathe the air of all these different planets are few- but you can find them. Most entrepreneurs coming in to this space with no prior staffing background and a great ideas take several years to figure this out- lots of ways to short cut this and SnapTalent was certainly trying by getting involved in activities with ERE that gave them feedback. Making sense of the info is another matter.</p>
<p>2. Noise Ratio. The number of people with great new ideas trying to get face/phone/internet time with a decision maker in a company is extraordinary. Could be 10-20 different folks every day. Day in. Day out. Week in Week out. Their messages are so similar- &#8220;we offer an integrated, global, end-to-end solution bolted to your existing enterprise-wide HR/ATS/CRM to channel passive/quality prospects into a candidate pipeline at lower cost/higher quality etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>That being said, Staffing will continue to evolve rapidly in the next few years and there is extraordinary money to be made (much more than the 10B figure mentioned). All the current ways that employers spend money on staffing are up for grabs&#8230;.for anyone a) with the ability to collect good data from the right stakeholders and make sense of it and b) with the marketing and branding savvy to cut through the noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Blais</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-14059</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Blais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think while SnapTalent&#039;s premise was viable, this market requires much more interpersonal activity than most technolog startups are willing to give.  As stated in this article, there is truly no shortage of fee of free technology to help increase impressions on the web.  The key to working with HR, in my opinion, is to provide personal service to help them utilize the tools available, rather than try to simply sell the the next new thing.  HR people are, by definition, people people.  They want to have face to face conversations, they want to share a cup of tea, they want to feel like they&#039;re getting the attention and focus of their vendors.  These are very difficult orders to fill through technology alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think while SnapTalent&#8217;s premise was viable, this market requires much more interpersonal activity than most technolog startups are willing to give.  As stated in this article, there is truly no shortage of fee of free technology to help increase impressions on the web.  The key to working with HR, in my opinion, is to provide personal service to help them utilize the tools available, rather than try to simply sell the the next new thing.  HR people are, by definition, people people.  They want to have face to face conversations, they want to share a cup of tea, they want to feel like they&#8217;re getting the attention and focus of their vendors.  These are very difficult orders to fill through technology alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-14045</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the same thing as David about the notion that HR is any more or less empowered to spend money on innovation.  

As an 11 year profitable survivor and market participant, I think the most unexpected aspect of our business to outsiders is the huge scope of what &quot;recruiting&quot; encompasses; from a young HR clerk somewhere to white shoe clubs and offices in NY, LA, DC, Atlanta, Dallas and Chicago..... 

Unless your solutions are very horizontal, you are not going to gain a lot of share because the market is so wide.  Gaining big share for solutions related to basic economic functions almost automatically requires a scaled business and a major investment.    

David, I&#039;m not sure I agree with &quot;when when customers do not buy my product, it’s my fault&quot;  

They are not customers until they buy, and I think about prospects quite differently than I do about customers- but that&#039;s just usage.  

When a prospect does not buy, it may be nobody&#039;s fault as there may not be any fault involved- it really depends on the fit and timing, neither being especially controllable on demand.  The skilled marketer learns about both at the minimum cost to themselves and their prospects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the same thing as David about the notion that HR is any more or less empowered to spend money on innovation.  </p>
<p>As an 11 year profitable survivor and market participant, I think the most unexpected aspect of our business to outsiders is the huge scope of what &#8220;recruiting&#8221; encompasses; from a young HR clerk somewhere to white shoe clubs and offices in NY, LA, DC, Atlanta, Dallas and Chicago&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Unless your solutions are very horizontal, you are not going to gain a lot of share because the market is so wide.  Gaining big share for solutions related to basic economic functions almost automatically requires a scaled business and a major investment.    </p>
<p>David, I&#8217;m not sure I agree with &#8220;when when customers do not buy my product, it’s my fault&#8221;  </p>
<p>They are not customers until they buy, and I think about prospects quite differently than I do about customers- but that&#8217;s just usage.  </p>
<p>When a prospect does not buy, it may be nobody&#8217;s fault as there may not be any fault involved- it really depends on the fit and timing, neither being especially controllable on demand.  The skilled marketer learns about both at the minimum cost to themselves and their prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Gorham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Gorham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The product adoption rate in HR is very slow as I have been in this for a while.  We haven&#039;t seen nearly a growth rate or transition from traditional job boards and won&#039;t see it for a number of years.  You can hear a podcast with myself Gerry Crispin and John Sumser regarding this.  
http://www.gcast.com/u/sharkstrike/main</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The product adoption rate in HR is very slow as I have been in this for a while.  We haven&#8217;t seen nearly a growth rate or transition from traditional job boards and won&#8217;t see it for a number of years.  You can hear a podcast with myself Gerry Crispin and John Sumser regarding this.<br />
<a href="http://www.gcast.com/u/sharkstrike/main" rel="nofollow">http://www.gcast.com/u/sharkstrike/main</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Manaster</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-14019</link>
		<dc:creator>David Manaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was probably the roughest environment in recent history to launch a start-up focused on college recruiting. I applaud the team at Snaptalent for realizing that their approach was not working as they had hoped in time to return the money to their investors.  That&#039;s a really mature move, and one that in my experience is very rare among entrepreneurs, since we&#039;re often wedded to our big ideas.  

Further, I think it&#039;s big of them to post this analysis of what went wrong in public, where other start-ups can learn from their experiences.

The last part of the Snaptalent note did rub me the wrong way though. I&#039;m not going to claim that HR is the most empowered or innovative department in most organizations, but I have seen them adopt new technologies as they prove their value and how they can help them be more effective in their roles.

As an entrepreneur, I know that when when customers do not buy my product, it&#039;s my fault for either not addressing their needs or for not communicating effectively how I can do so - not theirs for &quot;not getting it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was probably the roughest environment in recent history to launch a start-up focused on college recruiting. I applaud the team at Snaptalent for realizing that their approach was not working as they had hoped in time to return the money to their investors.  That&#8217;s a really mature move, and one that in my experience is very rare among entrepreneurs, since we&#8217;re often wedded to our big ideas.  </p>
<p>Further, I think it&#8217;s big of them to post this analysis of what went wrong in public, where other start-ups can learn from their experiences.</p>
<p>The last part of the Snaptalent note did rub me the wrong way though. I&#8217;m not going to claim that HR is the most empowered or innovative department in most organizations, but I have seen them adopt new technologies as they prove their value and how they can help them be more effective in their roles.</p>
<p>As an entrepreneur, I know that when when customers do not buy my product, it&#8217;s my fault for either not addressing their needs or for not communicating effectively how I can do so &#8211; not theirs for &#8220;not getting it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Sharib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Sharib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...it is returning the majority of the money investors gave it.&quot;
That&#039;s different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it is returning the majority of the money investors gave it.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s different.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Franzen</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-14007</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Franzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Innovation will have to happen despite HR rather than spurred on by it. At least until power on the other side is aggregated to a point where it can influence the way that things have always been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innovation will have to happen despite HR rather than spurred on by it. At least until power on the other side is aggregated to a point where it can influence the way that things have always been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Langhans</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/08/17/recruitment-ad-startup-closes-lamenting-hrs-status/comment-page-1/#comment-14006</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Langhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. Small Business Administration has seen lots of small businesses come and, unfortunately, go. According to the SBA, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first five years. Why? What goes wrong?

1. Lack of experience
2. Insufficient capital (money)
3. Poor location
4. Poor inventory management
5. Over-investment in fixed assets
6. Poor credit arrangements
7. Personal use of business funds
8. Unexpected growth
9. Competition
10. Low sales</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. Small Business Administration has seen lots of small businesses come and, unfortunately, go. According to the SBA, over 50% of small businesses fail in the first five years. Why? What goes wrong?</p>
<p>1. Lack of experience<br />
2. Insufficient capital (money)<br />
3. Poor location<br />
4. Poor inventory management<br />
5. Over-investment in fixed assets<br />
6. Poor credit arrangements<br />
7. Personal use of business funds<br />
8. Unexpected growth<br />
9. Competition<br />
10. Low sales</p>
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