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		<title>By: How recruiters read resumes &#124; Jonathan Duarte - Social Media meets Job Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>How recruiters read resumes &#124; Jonathan Duarte - Social Media meets Job Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Exchange (ERE.net), a network and forum of corporate, third party, and executive recruiters, Matt Charney wrote a sarcastic yet realistic view of how employers read job seekers [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Duarte</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-18166</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Duarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hearing that Matt&#039;s post was one of the most commented on ERE in 2009, I decided to take a 2nd read, and reveiw the comments.

As 2009 comes to a close, I wonder how many job seekers have actually read this article. I doubt many, so I&#039;m going to republish and put a link on my blog.

I encourage others to do the same as well.

Happy 2010!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hearing that Matt&#8217;s post was one of the most commented on ERE in 2009, I decided to take a 2nd read, and reveiw the comments.</p>
<p>As 2009 comes to a close, I wonder how many job seekers have actually read this article. I doubt many, so I&#8217;m going to republish and put a link on my blog.</p>
<p>I encourage others to do the same as well.</p>
<p>Happy 2010!</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Kraft</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-18165</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Kraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a career coach (who also writes resumes) and works with candidates rather than companies, I’ll jump in the fray knowing I’m in the minority. 

Matthew, your article was quite funny ... and ... your flippant and dismissive attitude is also why candidates continually bad-mouth the recruiting industry. You talk about how resume writers are vultures preying on the unemployed; however, please remember we are on the side of the job seeker. I dare say, many in your industry ignore any candidate who can’t ensure they get a big fat corporate commission.

Now, on to more civil matters. For the record, very few of my clients are unemployed. I specialize in working with senior finance executives and almost all of them come to me in anticipation of making a move. They know they have value, but they are numbers guys, not marketers, and they need help gaining that clarity. Just like all recruiters are not the same, neither are all resume writers. While a client typically comes to me for a resume, what he really needs is an understanding of two things: 1) what does he have that a client is willing to pay to get, and 2) how does he get on the radar screen of his target market. 

There’s an old story about a guy who took his car to the garage to be fixed. When he looked at the $300 bill, he saw it took a $1.25 part to fix it. When he asked about the reasonableness of such a high total invoice, the auto mechanic looked him in the eye and said ... the value is in knowing which part and where to put it. 

It’s the same for us ... we bring an outside perspective of how to best market our clients and while they come to us for a resume, we also deliver a very valuable intangible ... an understanding of how to clearly articulate their marketable value proposition.

I force my clients to get clear about their differentiation and the audience they want to serve. That ensures that they do not waste time playing the posted position game trying to be all things to all people, nor do they need multiple resumes. Rather, they know their niche and their target and they can execute a focused and effective search strategy.

I work closely with several finance recruiters because they recognize that when their candidates look great, they look great; and because I have the quality candidates they are seeking. 

Your writing is witty, Matthew, and we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of quality career coaches / resume writers.

Cindy Kraft, the CFO-Coach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a career coach (who also writes resumes) and works with candidates rather than companies, I’ll jump in the fray knowing I’m in the minority. </p>
<p>Matthew, your article was quite funny &#8230; and &#8230; your flippant and dismissive attitude is also why candidates continually bad-mouth the recruiting industry. You talk about how resume writers are vultures preying on the unemployed; however, please remember we are on the side of the job seeker. I dare say, many in your industry ignore any candidate who can’t ensure they get a big fat corporate commission.</p>
<p>Now, on to more civil matters. For the record, very few of my clients are unemployed. I specialize in working with senior finance executives and almost all of them come to me in anticipation of making a move. They know they have value, but they are numbers guys, not marketers, and they need help gaining that clarity. Just like all recruiters are not the same, neither are all resume writers. While a client typically comes to me for a resume, what he really needs is an understanding of two things: 1) what does he have that a client is willing to pay to get, and 2) how does he get on the radar screen of his target market. </p>
<p>There’s an old story about a guy who took his car to the garage to be fixed. When he looked at the $300 bill, he saw it took a $1.25 part to fix it. When he asked about the reasonableness of such a high total invoice, the auto mechanic looked him in the eye and said &#8230; the value is in knowing which part and where to put it. </p>
<p>It’s the same for us &#8230; we bring an outside perspective of how to best market our clients and while they come to us for a resume, we also deliver a very valuable intangible &#8230; an understanding of how to clearly articulate their marketable value proposition.</p>
<p>I force my clients to get clear about their differentiation and the audience they want to serve. That ensures that they do not waste time playing the posted position game trying to be all things to all people, nor do they need multiple resumes. Rather, they know their niche and their target and they can execute a focused and effective search strategy.</p>
<p>I work closely with several finance recruiters because they recognize that when their candidates look great, they look great; and because I have the quality candidates they are seeking. </p>
<p>Your writing is witty, Matthew, and we will just have to agree to disagree on the value of quality career coaches / resume writers.</p>
<p>Cindy Kraft, the CFO-Coach</p>
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		<title>By: backgrounds checks</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14510</link>
		<dc:creator>backgrounds checks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;backgrounds checks...&lt;/strong&gt;

I agree with what you wrote here at Daybreak, Part 2 &#124; galactica-science.com. Good points there....</description>
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<p>I agree with what you wrote here at Daybreak, Part 2 | galactica-science.com. Good points there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14101</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, glad I could make your day.  My comment about this job being &quot;cake&quot; is in comparison to positions that are not; positions that I reference such as being a doctor with a dying patient on the operating table and/or a Marine Infantryman on patrol in Iraq.  Relatively speaking, it&#039;s my contention that this job is &quot;cake&quot;.  That doesn&#039;t mean you have to agree - most Recruiters don&#039;t.  We&#039;re adults; We can agree to disagree.

In regards to Catbert, nobody here is claiming anyone to be an &quot;Evil Director of Human Resources&quot;, however I might ask how why this character was created in the first place.  In addition, how did he become so popular?  It sure wasn&#039;t my doing.

Based upon what I can understand about Crosswind Ventures, it would appear that you&#039;d agree with some of my points.  I can tell you one of your own that I agree with, posted here on ERE, on the value of actual conversations with candidates:

&quot;Truly great recruiters are outstanding in how they deal with real people, in live conversations, in real time.&quot;

In recruiting terms, I believe that&#039;s what known as being inconsistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, glad I could make your day.  My comment about this job being &#8220;cake&#8221; is in comparison to positions that are not; positions that I reference such as being a doctor with a dying patient on the operating table and/or a Marine Infantryman on patrol in Iraq.  Relatively speaking, it&#8217;s my contention that this job is &#8220;cake&#8221;.  That doesn&#8217;t mean you have to agree &#8211; most Recruiters don&#8217;t.  We&#8217;re adults; We can agree to disagree.</p>
<p>In regards to Catbert, nobody here is claiming anyone to be an &#8220;Evil Director of Human Resources&#8221;, however I might ask how why this character was created in the first place.  In addition, how did he become so popular?  It sure wasn&#8217;t my doing.</p>
<p>Based upon what I can understand about Crosswind Ventures, it would appear that you&#8217;d agree with some of my points.  I can tell you one of your own that I agree with, posted here on ERE, on the value of actual conversations with candidates:</p>
<p>&#8220;Truly great recruiters are outstanding in how they deal with real people, in live conversations, in real time.&#8221;</p>
<p>In recruiting terms, I believe that&#8217;s what known as being inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14098</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, Matt!  Maintaining your sense of humor will serve you well as you continue your search!

But, it looked (for a moment) like Josh was going to try to contend with you on who put forth the funnier observations.  Just as you represented the corporate recruiter perspective, he weighed in on behalf of the ever popular everyone-who-has-never-been-a-corporate-recruiter-but-thinks-they-know-how-to-do-the-job-better types with his witty comments like &quot;Newsflash/Reality Check: This job is cake.&quot;  What a funny guy! 

Josh was on a roll (he made a number of other hysterical comments) but lost the momentum with his assertion that &quot;if I was in a leadership position internally, I would see value in utilizing ‘different’ titles than the same jobs at my competitors. Why? Because I would understand that many Recruiters would look right past them in their search for the *same* (or *extremely similar*) title. Simply shifting a title would reduce the probability that someone would be sourced or contacted by the competition.&quot;  Funny?  Absolutely.  But if it sounds familiar, it should.

It was done (in mass public circulation) several years ago by...Catbert and the Pointy-Haired Boss in Dilbert.  In recruiting terms, I believe that&#039;s what&#039;s known as being priored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, Matt!  Maintaining your sense of humor will serve you well as you continue your search!</p>
<p>But, it looked (for a moment) like Josh was going to try to contend with you on who put forth the funnier observations.  Just as you represented the corporate recruiter perspective, he weighed in on behalf of the ever popular everyone-who-has-never-been-a-corporate-recruiter-but-thinks-they-know-how-to-do-the-job-better types with his witty comments like &#8220;Newsflash/Reality Check: This job is cake.&#8221;  What a funny guy! </p>
<p>Josh was on a roll (he made a number of other hysterical comments) but lost the momentum with his assertion that &#8220;if I was in a leadership position internally, I would see value in utilizing ‘different’ titles than the same jobs at my competitors. Why? Because I would understand that many Recruiters would look right past them in their search for the *same* (or *extremely similar*) title. Simply shifting a title would reduce the probability that someone would be sourced or contacted by the competition.&#8221;  Funny?  Absolutely.  But if it sounds familiar, it should.</p>
<p>It was done (in mass public circulation) several years ago by&#8230;Catbert and the Pointy-Haired Boss in Dilbert.  In recruiting terms, I believe that&#8217;s what&#8217;s known as being priored.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14089</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, your post here brings up an important point of what the screener is actually doing.  Let me provide a high-level overview of what is occurring.  As a candidate, you have the right to know how hiring processes play out, and more importantly, knowledge is power.  If you know what is being evaluated by the recruiter/screener, you have a stronger probability of positioning yourself properly.

At screening stage 1, the screener is culling through the resumes that happened to make it through the ATS (Applicant Tracking System) due to keyword filtering logic.  In 10 seconds or less, they&#039;re making a determination if the system had a hiccup or not.  It&#039;s more QA than anything else.  In screening stage 1, the screener&#039;s value is mitigation of opportunity cost in regards to the Hiring Manager.  Even if they are paid the same amount (hourly, annually, etc.) as the Hiring Manager, there is opportunity cost involved.  As you can tell, it&#039;s not a perfect solution, and in my estimation, screening stage 1 (QA) is in significant decline as technology improves and systems &#039;learn&#039; from themselves (I&#039;m mainly speaking in regards to semantic technologies).

At screening stage 2, which is where you are currently situated, the screener is providing more value than at stage 1.  The reason is because there is actual 2-way communication occurring.  Keep in mind that it is at this stage that the screener is trying to qualify candidates based on criteria that may not be listed in the job description.  For example, perhaps &quot;Oil Industry Experience&quot; was too broad and many good candidates (on paper, or at stage 1) did not have the specialized Oil sector experience that the Hiring Manager was really looking for.  This goes to the validity and accuracy of the initial job description, which is a whole other bag of beans.  Most job descriptions are created on the fly, with copy &amp; paste taking a front seat so the Hiring Manager or Recruiter can &quot;knock it out as soon as possible.&quot;

It&#039;s my humble opinion that GIGO is at play here - the necessity for multiple steps of screening, interviewing, etc., can often be reduced greatly through a proper job description.  Kudos to Gerry Crispin for his ongoing efforts to create a standard along with SHRM - I would have liked to have been involved, but am already spread too thin and knew it would be an injustice to be involved with little to no time to spend contributing.

To get back on track, screening stage 2 is all about identifying what the recruiter/screener is looking for (meaning the competencies and skills not listed in the initial job description).  If it&#039;s a highly critical or pivotal role, Great recruiters will have an initial discover session with the Hiring Manager prior to publishing the job description . . . however I see this occurring less and less in our space.  Again, GIGO, but I digress.  The best thing you can do early in the initial phone screen (stage 2), is to specifically ask &quot;what the organization is looking for in the ideal candidate.&quot;  If you don&#039;t do this, John, the probability of you having a &#039;super&#039; phone screen is slim to none.  Ask the question and don&#039;t leave this to chance.  In fact, once they answer, ask, &quot;What else?&quot;  At this point, the recruiter/screener will realize you&#039;re a player in the game . . . and most candidates tell me they can hear a shift in tone and substance as soon as that follow-on question is asked.

I wish you the best of luck, John.  Interviewing is a game, or better, a dance of sorts.  If you know the steps, you&#039;re less likely to fumble and step on your own (or your partner&#039;s) feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, your post here brings up an important point of what the screener is actually doing.  Let me provide a high-level overview of what is occurring.  As a candidate, you have the right to know how hiring processes play out, and more importantly, knowledge is power.  If you know what is being evaluated by the recruiter/screener, you have a stronger probability of positioning yourself properly.</p>
<p>At screening stage 1, the screener is culling through the resumes that happened to make it through the ATS (Applicant Tracking System) due to keyword filtering logic.  In 10 seconds or less, they&#8217;re making a determination if the system had a hiccup or not.  It&#8217;s more QA than anything else.  In screening stage 1, the screener&#8217;s value is mitigation of opportunity cost in regards to the Hiring Manager.  Even if they are paid the same amount (hourly, annually, etc.) as the Hiring Manager, there is opportunity cost involved.  As you can tell, it&#8217;s not a perfect solution, and in my estimation, screening stage 1 (QA) is in significant decline as technology improves and systems &#8216;learn&#8217; from themselves (I&#8217;m mainly speaking in regards to semantic technologies).</p>
<p>At screening stage 2, which is where you are currently situated, the screener is providing more value than at stage 1.  The reason is because there is actual 2-way communication occurring.  Keep in mind that it is at this stage that the screener is trying to qualify candidates based on criteria that may not be listed in the job description.  For example, perhaps &#8220;Oil Industry Experience&#8221; was too broad and many good candidates (on paper, or at stage 1) did not have the specialized Oil sector experience that the Hiring Manager was really looking for.  This goes to the validity and accuracy of the initial job description, which is a whole other bag of beans.  Most job descriptions are created on the fly, with copy &amp; paste taking a front seat so the Hiring Manager or Recruiter can &#8220;knock it out as soon as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my humble opinion that GIGO is at play here &#8211; the necessity for multiple steps of screening, interviewing, etc., can often be reduced greatly through a proper job description.  Kudos to Gerry Crispin for his ongoing efforts to create a standard along with SHRM &#8211; I would have liked to have been involved, but am already spread too thin and knew it would be an injustice to be involved with little to no time to spend contributing.</p>
<p>To get back on track, screening stage 2 is all about identifying what the recruiter/screener is looking for (meaning the competencies and skills not listed in the initial job description).  If it&#8217;s a highly critical or pivotal role, Great recruiters will have an initial discover session with the Hiring Manager prior to publishing the job description . . . however I see this occurring less and less in our space.  Again, GIGO, but I digress.  The best thing you can do early in the initial phone screen (stage 2), is to specifically ask &#8220;what the organization is looking for in the ideal candidate.&#8221;  If you don&#8217;t do this, John, the probability of you having a &#8217;super&#8217; phone screen is slim to none.  Ask the question and don&#8217;t leave this to chance.  In fact, once they answer, ask, &#8220;What else?&#8221;  At this point, the recruiter/screener will realize you&#8217;re a player in the game . . . and most candidates tell me they can hear a shift in tone and substance as soon as that follow-on question is asked.</p>
<p>I wish you the best of luck, John.  Interviewing is a game, or better, a dance of sorts.  If you know the steps, you&#8217;re less likely to fumble and step on your own (or your partner&#8217;s) feet.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hennessy</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would agree, except that the post in question requires a knowledge of a lot of technology, a lot of marketing, a lot5 about the oil business and a lot of start-up experience. If there are only 6 candidates abd each gets a ten mi8nute call, what value is thsi (external, consultant) screener adding? Believe me the person in question has no knowledge of any of the fields I listed - so why on earth are they between me and the company? I am asking this in all honesty - I simply cannot see the value.

As an aside, to counter my questioning value, I will also tell you that I think the true value of consulting in my game - marketing - is $75/hour and that anyone asking for more will soon be in for a shock!

jh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would agree, except that the post in question requires a knowledge of a lot of technology, a lot of marketing, a lot5 about the oil business and a lot of start-up experience. If there are only 6 candidates abd each gets a ten mi8nute call, what value is thsi (external, consultant) screener adding? Believe me the person in question has no knowledge of any of the fields I listed &#8211; so why on earth are they between me and the company? I am asking this in all honesty &#8211; I simply cannot see the value.</p>
<p>As an aside, to counter my questioning value, I will also tell you that I think the true value of consulting in my game &#8211; marketing &#8211; is $75/hour and that anyone asking for more will soon be in for a shock!</p>
<p>jh</p>
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		<title>By: Toni Gatlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni Gatlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the last comment (John Hennessy)-- I can understand your frustration, but the screener&#039;s value is to the client, not to the candidate. Now a screener/recruiter who is doing their job well won&#039;t treat you like a commodity, but nevertheless, our job is to find the right talent and simply filter out the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the last comment (John Hennessy)&#8211; I can understand your frustration, but the screener&#8217;s value is to the client, not to the candidate. Now a screener/recruiter who is doing their job well won&#8217;t treat you like a commodity, but nevertheless, our job is to find the right talent and simply filter out the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hennessy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14070</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well it just keeps on...

I just had a screening interview and it brought this thread back to mind. The screener told me she had 6 people to talk to and that there would be a real interview for those that got through the screen later this week. Now I can believe that there are 5 other people as qualifies as I am for this job (technology startup, marketing, exploration industry, Canadian) - but can any of you professionals help me understand what value the screener brought to the process? As far as I can see, all that happened was a paid impediment to the company principals getting to talk to the real talent.

OK I am biased  and bitter, but the thread makes me believe that resumes are a waste of time - if they are more than 20 words long - and that the fate of industry often rests in hands that are very poorly qualified to direct it!

j

(p.s. - on the subject of hours - any job I&#039;ve ever excelled at required MINIMUM 60 hours per week, being paid for 37.5 of them...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well it just keeps on&#8230;</p>
<p>I just had a screening interview and it brought this thread back to mind. The screener told me she had 6 people to talk to and that there would be a real interview for those that got through the screen later this week. Now I can believe that there are 5 other people as qualifies as I am for this job (technology startup, marketing, exploration industry, Canadian) &#8211; but can any of you professionals help me understand what value the screener brought to the process? As far as I can see, all that happened was a paid impediment to the company principals getting to talk to the real talent.</p>
<p>OK I am biased  and bitter, but the thread makes me believe that resumes are a waste of time &#8211; if they are more than 20 words long &#8211; and that the fate of industry often rests in hands that are very poorly qualified to direct it!</p>
<p>j</p>
<p>(p.s. &#8211; on the subject of hours &#8211; any job I&#8217;ve ever excelled at required MINIMUM 60 hours per week, being paid for 37.5 of them&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Darrin Grella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrin Grella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry - I completely agree. I was shocked at the outcome of the survey.  Out of the 2000 surveyed some people consisted of recruiters, HR professionals and actual hiring authorities.  My assumption of the data was that hiring authorities may invest more time into a resume when they are about to interview a person.  Obviously they are not looking at 40K per year but more than likely 10 - 30 per year / give or take.  
Does that make sense?  That is my take on it.  But I do agree with you, any more than 10 second on a resume is time wasted.
Thanks for you insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerry &#8211; I completely agree. I was shocked at the outcome of the survey.  Out of the 2000 surveyed some people consisted of recruiters, HR professionals and actual hiring authorities.  My assumption of the data was that hiring authorities may invest more time into a resume when they are about to interview a person.  Obviously they are not looking at 40K per year but more than likely 10 &#8211; 30 per year / give or take.<br />
Does that make sense?  That is my take on it.  But I do agree with you, any more than 10 second on a resume is time wasted.<br />
Thanks for you insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Crispin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14068</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry Crispin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrin, not surprising. 57% that responded more than  a minute (on average) are either inefficient or reluctant to tell you the truth. I&#039;m of the opinion that 30 seconds is too much for an initial scan ( and that is for the ones that appear from a search of the ATS that they have all the criteria requested).

If you were a recruiter handling 30 openings in your in-box in some stage of closure(assume you fill 120 openings a year) and a flow of 300 resumes per opening is average 9conservative), how would you structure your initial scan of approximately 40,000 resumes a year into your daily full life cycle tasks? Remember to leave some sourcing time to woo various passive candidates with no resume to submit and application.

Assuming you can digitally search the stack, most build a set of hurdles so that the final candidates get serious time devoted to their profiles.

I&#039;m surprised your data is so high. Whenever I &quot;watch&quot; someone work, it never takes that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrin, not surprising. 57% that responded more than  a minute (on average) are either inefficient or reluctant to tell you the truth. I&#8217;m of the opinion that 30 seconds is too much for an initial scan ( and that is for the ones that appear from a search of the ATS that they have all the criteria requested).</p>
<p>If you were a recruiter handling 30 openings in your in-box in some stage of closure(assume you fill 120 openings a year) and a flow of 300 resumes per opening is average 9conservative), how would you structure your initial scan of approximately 40,000 resumes a year into your daily full life cycle tasks? Remember to leave some sourcing time to woo various passive candidates with no resume to submit and application.</p>
<p>Assuming you can digitally search the stack, most build a set of hurdles so that the final candidates get serious time devoted to their profiles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised your data is so high. Whenever I &#8220;watch&#8221; someone work, it never takes that long.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrin Grella</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-14065</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrin Grella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I performed some recent research on this topic for a book that I am finishing up on Interviewing and it is interesting the statistics we saw.

43% of 2000 people surveyed said they spend one minute or less looking at a resume and 14% spend less than 30 seconds reviewing them.  

For a document that so many people put so much time, effort, energy and money into, it sure does not create a big leverage point.

Thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I performed some recent research on this topic for a book that I am finishing up on Interviewing and it is interesting the statistics we saw.</p>
<p>43% of 2000 people surveyed said they spend one minute or less looking at a resume and 14% spend less than 30 seconds reviewing them.  </p>
<p>For a document that so many people put so much time, effort, energy and money into, it sure does not create a big leverage point.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Lempicke</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13880</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Lempicke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post seems to have a life of its own!  

If it wasn&#039;t for the fact that employers want people with certain educational backgrounds, years of experience, locations, titles, salary histories, skills, experiences, awesome track records, personal qualities, a super high energy level and whatever other intangible quality that can be imagined, recruiting would be a total piece of cake.  Just show up at the dock, point to someone and get a check. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post seems to have a life of its own!  </p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for the fact that employers want people with certain educational backgrounds, years of experience, locations, titles, salary histories, skills, experiences, awesome track records, personal qualities, a super high energy level and whatever other intangible quality that can be imagined, recruiting would be a total piece of cake.  Just show up at the dock, point to someone and get a check. :)</p>
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		<title>By: John Hennessy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13879</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure whether to laugh or scream in response to the original article and the comments. Maybe I will do both and drop a barbed hook in the water...

In the old days of break-bulk cargo and longshoremen, to get hired for a day&#039;s work you turned up outside the dock gates with everyone else. The gang bosses stood up on soap boxes and picked the people they wanted. Everyone else wandered off home or to the bar. Seems to me that the modern methods differ only in placing the gang boss out of direct reach!

jh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether to laugh or scream in response to the original article and the comments. Maybe I will do both and drop a barbed hook in the water&#8230;</p>
<p>In the old days of break-bulk cargo and longshoremen, to get hired for a day&#8217;s work you turned up outside the dock gates with everyone else. The gang bosses stood up on soap boxes and picked the people they wanted. Everyone else wandered off home or to the bar. Seems to me that the modern methods differ only in placing the gang boss out of direct reach!</p>
<p>jh</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13816</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Sorry, I mean &#039;Technology&#039;, not &#039;Technoloyg&#039; . . . however, &#039;Technoloyg&#039; sounds a little funnier and could probably a some dual meaning somewhere:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Sorry, I mean &#8216;Technology&#8217;, not &#8216;Technoloyg&#8217; . . . however, &#8216;Technoloyg&#8217; sounds a little funnier and could probably a some dual meaning somewhere:)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13814</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheri, you got me thinking in regards to one of your comments about titles.  What are your thoughts on the following?
I&#039;m an Exec Recruiter, so I don&#039;t operate in an Internal Recruitment capacity, however . . . if I was in a leadership position internally, I would see value in utilizing &#039;different&#039; titles than the same jobs at my competitors.  Why?  Because I would understand that many Recruiters would look right past them in their search for the *same* (or *extremely similar*) title.  Simply shifting a title would reduce the probability that someone would be sourced or contacted by the competition.  It would take more time and thought to make the association, so &#039;screeners&#039; (who are different than real recruiters) will keep on going and going and going . . . screening for same or similar titles.  Screeners aren&#039;t paid to think - they&#039;re paid to screen, which is why the Sourcing industry is dying off; well, I mean the Sourcing industry that doesn&#039;t want to pick up a phone and actually recruit anyone.  Technoloyg, in large part, replaced this approach.  Screening content on the web is now commoditized and is a fungible skill.
There are people in our space making good money today by consulting in regards to title permeation . . . within the Defense industry.  Large Defense Firms often have somewhat cryptic titles . . . although they are all basically the same role (obviously the applications are slightly different, such as working on a fixed-wing versus rotary-wing aircraft, etc.)
Just something to think about . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheri, you got me thinking in regards to one of your comments about titles.  What are your thoughts on the following?<br />
I&#8217;m an Exec Recruiter, so I don&#8217;t operate in an Internal Recruitment capacity, however . . . if I was in a leadership position internally, I would see value in utilizing &#8216;different&#8217; titles than the same jobs at my competitors.  Why?  Because I would understand that many Recruiters would look right past them in their search for the *same* (or *extremely similar*) title.  Simply shifting a title would reduce the probability that someone would be sourced or contacted by the competition.  It would take more time and thought to make the association, so &#8217;screeners&#8217; (who are different than real recruiters) will keep on going and going and going . . . screening for same or similar titles.  Screeners aren&#8217;t paid to think &#8211; they&#8217;re paid to screen, which is why the Sourcing industry is dying off; well, I mean the Sourcing industry that doesn&#8217;t want to pick up a phone and actually recruit anyone.  Technoloyg, in large part, replaced this approach.  Screening content on the web is now commoditized and is a fungible skill.<br />
There are people in our space making good money today by consulting in regards to title permeation . . . within the Defense industry.  Large Defense Firms often have somewhat cryptic titles . . . although they are all basically the same role (obviously the applications are slightly different, such as working on a fixed-wing versus rotary-wing aircraft, etc.)<br />
Just something to think about . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri Birnbaum</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13799</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri Birnbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew:
A)  Job seekers are frequently advised to add a cover letter and it’s mandatory.  This helps weed out the initial round of people who cannot communicate at basic levels and aren&#039;t smart enough to get someone to write it for them.  It takes about 1 – 2 seconds to scan.  What exactly is the problem here?
B)  What recruiters look at mailing addresses?  Job seekers may be bombarded with postings in Timbuktu.  Many recruiters these days haven’t a clue how far a position is from the seeker’s home.
C)  These days, if you insist one’s recent job title be equal to what they’re applying for, you are missing out on many qualified applicants.  The market has dramatically changed; you’re living with old-world ideas.
D)   In a market that’s economically unsound, why would you think resume-writing services offer something valuable other than for the R-W company?  In addition, seekers are constantly told to tailor their resume to the job specs making their ostensibly initial investment worthless.
E)  You complain about poorly-written resumes.  One “baseline” resume may have morphed into 100 tailored ones.  I understand it.  Job-seekers complain about the borderline illegible (yes, illegible though typed) job postings riddled with poor English and contradictions.

Your article makes an attempt at humor.  I found it offensive and a reason why so many good recruiters don’t remain in the field very long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew:<br />
A)  Job seekers are frequently advised to add a cover letter and it’s mandatory.  This helps weed out the initial round of people who cannot communicate at basic levels and aren&#8217;t smart enough to get someone to write it for them.  It takes about 1 – 2 seconds to scan.  What exactly is the problem here?<br />
B)  What recruiters look at mailing addresses?  Job seekers may be bombarded with postings in Timbuktu.  Many recruiters these days haven’t a clue how far a position is from the seeker’s home.<br />
C)  These days, if you insist one’s recent job title be equal to what they’re applying for, you are missing out on many qualified applicants.  The market has dramatically changed; you’re living with old-world ideas.<br />
D)   In a market that’s economically unsound, why would you think resume-writing services offer something valuable other than for the R-W company?  In addition, seekers are constantly told to tailor their resume to the job specs making their ostensibly initial investment worthless.<br />
E)  You complain about poorly-written resumes.  One “baseline” resume may have morphed into 100 tailored ones.  I understand it.  Job-seekers complain about the borderline illegible (yes, illegible though typed) job postings riddled with poor English and contradictions.</p>
<p>Your article makes an attempt at humor.  I found it offensive and a reason why so many good recruiters don’t remain in the field very long.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay Jetti</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13795</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay Jetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terse yet a breath of fresh air.
“I wish I had time to recruit.” It’s a matter of simple math, assuming, like most of us “lazy” recruiters, you work a 10 hour day, and it’s always a working lunch. Most of us carry about 10-20 open jobs at any one time. Ballparking from experience, the average experienced, non manager posting receives around 250 applicants, averaging out the executive jobs (think, Cecil B. DeMille and a cast of thousands) and extremely niche searches (think, self-distributed indie film with no marketing budget).

What are the odds that we still end up with another 250? for the same title!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terse yet a breath of fresh air.<br />
“I wish I had time to recruit.” It’s a matter of simple math, assuming, like most of us “lazy” recruiters, you work a 10 hour day, and it’s always a working lunch. Most of us carry about 10-20 open jobs at any one time. Ballparking from experience, the average experienced, non manager posting receives around 250 applicants, averaging out the executive jobs (think, Cecil B. DeMille and a cast of thousands) and extremely niche searches (think, self-distributed indie film with no marketing budget).</p>
<p>What are the odds that we still end up with another 250? for the same title!!</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/30/bullet-point-to-the-head/comment-page-2/#comment-13789</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  First I&#039;d like to thank you for an entertaining insight into the resume screening process recruiters use.  Honestly, I&#039;m saddened at the approach described here.  While your article is somewhat funny, it has little basis in reality.  I&#039;m not an attorney, but I&#039;m thinking this approach may even be actionable.  

• Age discrimination - I&#039;ve worked for people over 55 and never heard or saw anything like you described, the ones I know are sharp and up-to-date on everything

• A black-listed ACCREDITED school - FYI, University of Phoenix is not just an online school.  They have always offered on-campus classes.  They are accredited, the coursework is solid (did I mention accredited) and it attended my motivated adults - unlike some of the party hard liberal arts types that you&#039;re still bitter about.  I know because I&#039;ve attended on-campus business classes at both Party State U and UOPX.  I dropped out of Party U in my sophomore year, got a decent job and have been earning a masters-level income without a degree.  As a working adult learner I went back to finish my degree ON CAMPUS at the UOPX because they offered an ACCREDITED DEGREE program that fit my schedule - by the way, I had tuition reimbursement too.  The dig you made at UOPX really got me fired up because of how wrong you are.  I could go on, but I&#039;ll stop here

• Black-listed companies - you&#039;re passing on a candidate even though that person likely had nothing to do with the reason for the scandal or acquisition and likely is a talented professional

If this really is indicative of your profession&#039;s approach, it&#039;s time to re-evaluate!  Get a real world education on the traits and characteristics that enable people to be successful and then match the right traits, education, and experience to the traits and knowledge needed to be successful in the position you&#039;re client is looking to fill.  

The type of profiling described here is preventing your clients from getting top talent and giving your profession a well deserved black-eye in the minds of the candidates who never get any feedback - even though they know they&#039;re perfect for the position they&#039;ve taken the effort to apply for.  I bet you&#039;ve discovered this in your search now that you&#039;re &quot;one of them.&quot;

Good luck with your search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  First I&#8217;d like to thank you for an entertaining insight into the resume screening process recruiters use.  Honestly, I&#8217;m saddened at the approach described here.  While your article is somewhat funny, it has little basis in reality.  I&#8217;m not an attorney, but I&#8217;m thinking this approach may even be actionable.  </p>
<p>• Age discrimination &#8211; I&#8217;ve worked for people over 55 and never heard or saw anything like you described, the ones I know are sharp and up-to-date on everything</p>
<p>• A black-listed ACCREDITED school &#8211; FYI, University of Phoenix is not just an online school.  They have always offered on-campus classes.  They are accredited, the coursework is solid (did I mention accredited) and it attended my motivated adults &#8211; unlike some of the party hard liberal arts types that you&#8217;re still bitter about.  I know because I&#8217;ve attended on-campus business classes at both Party State U and UOPX.  I dropped out of Party U in my sophomore year, got a decent job and have been earning a masters-level income without a degree.  As a working adult learner I went back to finish my degree ON CAMPUS at the UOPX because they offered an ACCREDITED DEGREE program that fit my schedule &#8211; by the way, I had tuition reimbursement too.  The dig you made at UOPX really got me fired up because of how wrong you are.  I could go on, but I&#8217;ll stop here</p>
<p>• Black-listed companies &#8211; you&#8217;re passing on a candidate even though that person likely had nothing to do with the reason for the scandal or acquisition and likely is a talented professional</p>
<p>If this really is indicative of your profession&#8217;s approach, it&#8217;s time to re-evaluate!  Get a real world education on the traits and characteristics that enable people to be successful and then match the right traits, education, and experience to the traits and knowledge needed to be successful in the position you&#8217;re client is looking to fill.  </p>
<p>The type of profiling described here is preventing your clients from getting top talent and giving your profession a well deserved black-eye in the minds of the candidates who never get any feedback &#8211; even though they know they&#8217;re perfect for the position they&#8217;ve taken the effort to apply for.  I bet you&#8217;ve discovered this in your search now that you&#8217;re &#8220;one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good luck with your search.</p>
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