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		<title>By: Jill Sanborne</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13848</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Sanborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

I was laid off last year from a niche recruiting firm and had to rethink my life and career going forward. If the jobs just aren&#039;t there now, recruiters have to look to other industries. 

There are, in fact, other fields where the qualities of an executive or senior recruiter translate well. The skills of organization, interviewing techniques, the right questions, grooming, keeping on track and a genuine desire to help people are well-rewarded.

Contact me via email if you are interested in more information.

Jill Sanborne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I was laid off last year from a niche recruiting firm and had to rethink my life and career going forward. If the jobs just aren&#8217;t there now, recruiters have to look to other industries. </p>
<p>There are, in fact, other fields where the qualities of an executive or senior recruiter translate well. The skills of organization, interviewing techniques, the right questions, grooming, keeping on track and a genuine desire to help people are well-rewarded.</p>
<p>Contact me via email if you are interested in more information.</p>
<p>Jill Sanborne</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13736</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, it is so refreshing to see articles such as this. Still in the dark are so many people in our industry. People seem to have missed the quiet shift and evolution of the recruiting industry over the past 12 months. 

We are in what I refer to as recruiting 2.0, much aligned with the advances in technology, the advent of social marketing and the importance of self branding.

The worst thing is seeing many good people in the industry get washed out this past year. Even worse is hearing stories about the firms who think that the panacea lies in pushing their people to do the same things that have not been working three times as hard and expect a different result. It&#039;s really mind-boggling. 

Keep up the good articles!

Happy Hunting!

Philip Newman
http://www.MedDeviceHeadhunter.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, it is so refreshing to see articles such as this. Still in the dark are so many people in our industry. People seem to have missed the quiet shift and evolution of the recruiting industry over the past 12 months. </p>
<p>We are in what I refer to as recruiting 2.0, much aligned with the advances in technology, the advent of social marketing and the importance of self branding.</p>
<p>The worst thing is seeing many good people in the industry get washed out this past year. Even worse is hearing stories about the firms who think that the panacea lies in pushing their people to do the same things that have not been working three times as hard and expect a different result. It&#8217;s really mind-boggling. </p>
<p>Keep up the good articles!</p>
<p>Happy Hunting!</p>
<p>Philip Newman<br />
<a href="http://www.MedDeviceHeadhunter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MedDeviceHeadhunter.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Teerlinck</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13691</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Teerlinck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As many of my RPO/agency connections know; the transition of recruiting to technology, relationship development and consultative approach has been in the works over the past decade, with RPO one of the prime examples.  We also are seeing a change in the agency space from traditional roles to a single client relationship or point of contact and a shared service that operates as the support to that contact.  Usually the single source point is closely connected to the client while the shared service employment is more connected to personal performance and less on the type of employment status.  RPO is great example of this.

My only concern in this transition is when succesful agencies are focusing so heavily in sales and client relationships that some have a tendency to forget about their contract and employee labor that made them so successful.  Having seen this first hand in Wisconsin; I feel this is not intentional but sales pressure eventually forces these issues that adversely affect the business especially when labor has control in the market.  Although I know this isn&#039;t commonplace, I&#039;m hearing about this situation again after it occured back in 2001-2003.

I hope this is minimal, but there are signs this is present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As many of my RPO/agency connections know; the transition of recruiting to technology, relationship development and consultative approach has been in the works over the past decade, with RPO one of the prime examples.  We also are seeing a change in the agency space from traditional roles to a single client relationship or point of contact and a shared service that operates as the support to that contact.  Usually the single source point is closely connected to the client while the shared service employment is more connected to personal performance and less on the type of employment status.  RPO is great example of this.</p>
<p>My only concern in this transition is when succesful agencies are focusing so heavily in sales and client relationships that some have a tendency to forget about their contract and employee labor that made them so successful.  Having seen this first hand in Wisconsin; I feel this is not intentional but sales pressure eventually forces these issues that adversely affect the business especially when labor has control in the market.  Although I know this isn&#8217;t commonplace, I&#8217;m hearing about this situation again after it occured back in 2001-2003.</p>
<p>I hope this is minimal, but there are signs this is present.</p>
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		<title>By: Entice Labs &#8211; The Labs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kevin Wheeler: Adapting To The New Regime</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13674</link>
		<dc:creator>Entice Labs &#8211; The Labs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kevin Wheeler: Adapting To The New Regime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13667</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is some data (reposted from a WSJ blog) concerning an estimate of when the various states&#039; levels of unemployment will return to pre-recession levels:

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/07/28/home-prices-jobs-will-come-back-sooner-in-some-states-than-others/

-kh keithsrj@sbcglobal.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some data (reposted from a WSJ blog) concerning an estimate of when the various states&#8217; levels of unemployment will return to pre-recession levels:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/07/28/home-prices-jobs-will-come-back-sooner-in-some-states-than-others/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/07/28/home-prices-jobs-will-come-back-sooner-in-some-states-than-others/</a></p>
<p>-kh <a href="mailto:keithsrj@sbcglobal.net">keithsrj@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Kevin.   I agree with the concept and almost everything!  A small note, I still like the phone screen.  Regardless of how I find my candidates (Linked In, Facebook, or good old fashion cold calling) I always tie in a phone screen.  I like to use it to measure etiquette, communication, and professionalism.  Nothing new to offer but I recommend a combination of tried practices and innovative strategy to be the best!  Thanks for the article, I enjoy readinig your pieces.

Craig Goldstein (A Canadian Perspective)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Kevin.   I agree with the concept and almost everything!  A small note, I still like the phone screen.  Regardless of how I find my candidates (Linked In, Facebook, or good old fashion cold calling) I always tie in a phone screen.  I like to use it to measure etiquette, communication, and professionalism.  Nothing new to offer but I recommend a combination of tried practices and innovative strategy to be the best!  Thanks for the article, I enjoy readinig your pieces.</p>
<p>Craig Goldstein (A Canadian Perspective)</p>
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		<title>By: bill josephson</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill josephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO the article starts out by talking about all recruiters including 3rd parties going out of business and out of jobs, then pretty much talks exclusively about corporate recruiters and what they need to do to be successful, not really addressing why agencies are going out of business.

I believe corporate and 3rd parties must work differently with us 3rd parties adjusting to what corporate recruiters are doing. The key is finding the talent a company or client company wants to hire that they can&#039;t find. It&#039;s clear that a 3rd party agency using all these same Internet technologies and tools corporate recruiters are ultimately only accomplishing uncovering and competing for the exact same candidates the corporate recruiters do since they&#039;re using the same tools and technologies they are. And how many corporate recruiters are going to work with 3rd parties for long when competing over the same candidates with them? If corporate recruiters are going to be all over the Internet, then as a 3rd party I want to be all over the telephone finding &quot;invisible&quot; candidates they otherwise wouldn&#039;t have found.

One final thing. This recession has been extremely brutal. Finding serious clients with an urgency/interest in hiring and employed passive candidates with an urgency/interest in seriously considering other opportunities finding a match is rare. I refuse to generally blame recruiters for failure in thie employment environment. When there&#039;s little to no urgency combined with a broken business cycle where a serious hiring and payment process typically taking 1-2 months now takes 3-6 months even excellent recruiters are forced out of the business unable to outlast and survive the subsequent cash flow crunch having their own family/personal bills to pay. There&#039;s only so long an individual recruiter can financially hold their breath. This economy is bigger than all of us. And all we control is what we do and say--not the actual results of our effort. I believe for most the effort has been there. But trying to swim across an ocean against the tide of this economic magnitude means an awful lot of superb swimmers will succumb and drown--out of no fault of their own.

Just my 30 years of 3rd party recruiting five cents.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO the article starts out by talking about all recruiters including 3rd parties going out of business and out of jobs, then pretty much talks exclusively about corporate recruiters and what they need to do to be successful, not really addressing why agencies are going out of business.</p>
<p>I believe corporate and 3rd parties must work differently with us 3rd parties adjusting to what corporate recruiters are doing. The key is finding the talent a company or client company wants to hire that they can&#8217;t find. It&#8217;s clear that a 3rd party agency using all these same Internet technologies and tools corporate recruiters are ultimately only accomplishing uncovering and competing for the exact same candidates the corporate recruiters do since they&#8217;re using the same tools and technologies they are. And how many corporate recruiters are going to work with 3rd parties for long when competing over the same candidates with them? If corporate recruiters are going to be all over the Internet, then as a 3rd party I want to be all over the telephone finding &#8220;invisible&#8221; candidates they otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have found.</p>
<p>One final thing. This recession has been extremely brutal. Finding serious clients with an urgency/interest in hiring and employed passive candidates with an urgency/interest in seriously considering other opportunities finding a match is rare. I refuse to generally blame recruiters for failure in thie employment environment. When there&#8217;s little to no urgency combined with a broken business cycle where a serious hiring and payment process typically taking 1-2 months now takes 3-6 months even excellent recruiters are forced out of the business unable to outlast and survive the subsequent cash flow crunch having their own family/personal bills to pay. There&#8217;s only so long an individual recruiter can financially hold their breath. This economy is bigger than all of us. And all we control is what we do and say&#8211;not the actual results of our effort. I believe for most the effort has been there. But trying to swim across an ocean against the tide of this economic magnitude means an awful lot of superb swimmers will succumb and drown&#8211;out of no fault of their own.</p>
<p>Just my 30 years of 3rd party recruiting five cents&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Monster, CareerBuilder See Drop in Advertising Revenue : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13653</link>
		<dc:creator>Monster, CareerBuilder See Drop in Advertising Revenue : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] translates into hiring activity, it would be a welcome development for an industry that has been hard hit by the global recession. For the second quarter of 2008, Monster had $354 million in revenue and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13644</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Kevin. As I mentioned a few weeks ago in my article on the Recruiting Project Manager, (http://www.ere.net/2009/07/09/the-recruiting-project-manager/), I also believe that the recruiting &quot;profession&quot; is do for a sea change, with many/most traditional, low-touch functions being eliminated, automated,or outsourced. There will probably be an increasing disaggregation of recruiting salaries, with lots of people making under $30,000/yr. (mainly overseas), a relative few making over $100,000/yr. (those who can close well or add strategic value as a Recruiting Project Manager), and not too many in between. 

Cheers,

Keith Halperin keithsrj@sbcglobal.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Kevin. As I mentioned a few weeks ago in my article on the Recruiting Project Manager, (<a href="http://www.ere.net/2009/07/09/the-recruiting-project-manager/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ere.net/2009/07/09/the-recruiting-project-manager/</a>), I also believe that the recruiting &#8220;profession&#8221; is do for a sea change, with many/most traditional, low-touch functions being eliminated, automated,or outsourced. There will probably be an increasing disaggregation of recruiting salaries, with lots of people making under $30,000/yr. (mainly overseas), a relative few making over $100,000/yr. (those who can close well or add strategic value as a Recruiting Project Manager), and not too many in between. </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Keith Halperin <a href="mailto:keithsrj@sbcglobal.net">keithsrj@sbcglobal.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kevin Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kevin Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article Kevin (As usual)...  

My firm (boutique) is doing good during this downturn. (Conservative/Saved $/Resources=Did not get &quot;too&quot; greedy)

What people need to come to grips with is, this is a SALES/RESULTS job (recruiter), (Not a practitioner or talent aquisitioner (blah!) = Academic words! Can we PLEASE lose the academic job titles already??)

My take away from this downturn is if you don&#039;t operate your recruiting desk like a &quot;battle field&quot; in a all out &quot;WAR FOR TOP TALENT&quot;, sadly you will be &quot;forced&quot; to the sidelines..  This industry (recruiting) is NOT for everyone, so we just need to support and embrace what this business is.... SALES/RESULTS!

My Family/Friends pray daily for those who are struggling in there careers at present across the globe! (If you are ever in Temecula, CA let&#039;s go drink some WINE!)

Brian-
http://www.johnstonsearch.com/about.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article Kevin (As usual)&#8230;  </p>
<p>My firm (boutique) is doing good during this downturn. (Conservative/Saved $/Resources=Did not get &#8220;too&#8221; greedy)</p>
<p>What people need to come to grips with is, this is a SALES/RESULTS job (recruiter), (Not a practitioner or talent aquisitioner (blah!) = Academic words! Can we PLEASE lose the academic job titles already??)</p>
<p>My take away from this downturn is if you don&#8217;t operate your recruiting desk like a &#8220;battle field&#8221; in a all out &#8220;WAR FOR TOP TALENT&#8221;, sadly you will be &#8220;forced&#8221; to the sidelines..  This industry (recruiting) is NOT for everyone, so we just need to support and embrace what this business is&#8230;. SALES/RESULTS!</p>
<p>My Family/Friends pray daily for those who are struggling in there careers at present across the globe! (If you are ever in Temecula, CA let&#8217;s go drink some WINE!)</p>
<p>Brian-<br />
<a href="http://www.johnstonsearch.com/about.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnstonsearch.com/about.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, 

One resource would be a free record webinar by Cytiva, makers of SonicRecruit, called Recruiting 2.0.  You can find it here:

http://www.sonicrecruit.com/requestwebinar11.htm

Ian Alexander
Cytiva
http://www.sonicrecruit.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, </p>
<p>One resource would be a free record webinar by Cytiva, makers of SonicRecruit, called Recruiting 2.0.  You can find it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sonicrecruit.com/requestwebinar11.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sonicrecruit.com/requestwebinar11.htm</a></p>
<p>Ian Alexander<br />
Cytiva<br />
<a href="http://www.sonicrecruit.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sonicrecruit.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13609</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece, I would be interested to know how to use this new technology to become bettre connected.  I have a good understanding of strategy and how important relating business objectives to hiring should be but I am short on &#039;tech&#039; skills.  Any advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece, I would be interested to know how to use this new technology to become bettre connected.  I have a good understanding of strategy and how important relating business objectives to hiring should be but I am short on &#8216;tech&#8217; skills.  Any advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Sharib</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/07/29/why-this-recession-has-been-so-tough-on-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-13606</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Sharib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it would be inappropriate to call the percentage loss in the recruiting industry 80% and above. 
If this be so, what do you think the future of recruiting looks like given that we&#039;re about to start over with a pretty (clean?) sheet?  Let&#039;s step it out - starting with the fresh recruit that will be attracted to the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it would be inappropriate to call the percentage loss in the recruiting industry 80% and above.<br />
If this be so, what do you think the future of recruiting looks like given that we&#8217;re about to start over with a pretty (clean?) sheet?  Let&#8217;s step it out &#8211; starting with the fresh recruit that will be attracted to the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: M C</title>
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		<dc:creator>M C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion those four bad habits lead to poor performance in any profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion those four bad habits lead to poor performance in any profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Westover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Westover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, 

This is a great article. From embracing emerging technologies, to focused recruiting on quality candidates and relevant talent; you&#039;ve hit the nail right on the head once again. Your closing remarks are nice because it is refreshing to hear some optimism that can come out of this recession. You mention leveraging technology and engaging candidates, in your opinion what are some of the new and  best ways of doing this?

Thanks again,

Cade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, </p>
<p>This is a great article. From embracing emerging technologies, to focused recruiting on quality candidates and relevant talent; you&#8217;ve hit the nail right on the head once again. Your closing remarks are nice because it is refreshing to hear some optimism that can come out of this recession. You mention leveraging technology and engaging candidates, in your opinion what are some of the new and  best ways of doing this?</p>
<p>Thanks again,</p>
<p>Cade</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Deighton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Deighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Your article describes the symptoms of a much larger problem.  Most organizations have failed to plan, which we all know leads to plan to fail.  Strategic Workforce Planning is not a one time event, it is a continual process, which requires recruiting expertise and understanding of where the business is currently, where it is going and the talent demands in relation to the labor market.   Those businesses that plan to be in business when the economy recovers, need to start acting like it.

Good article, hopefully, it opens some interesting responses.

Best Regards,

Steve Deighton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Your article describes the symptoms of a much larger problem.  Most organizations have failed to plan, which we all know leads to plan to fail.  Strategic Workforce Planning is not a one time event, it is a continual process, which requires recruiting expertise and understanding of where the business is currently, where it is going and the talent demands in relation to the labor market.   Those businesses that plan to be in business when the economy recovers, need to start acting like it.</p>
<p>Good article, hopefully, it opens some interesting responses.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Steve Deighton</p>
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