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	<title>Comments on: Apollo 11: Rocket Science and the Future of Hiring</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Hudy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-13157</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,
Sorry we missed you in New Orleans this year - Restaurant August was excellent just as you said.  I&#039;d be interested in participating in the consortium you&#039;re considering.  Keep us in the loop.
Mike Hudy
Shaker Consulting Group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,<br />
Sorry we missed you in New Orleans this year &#8211; Restaurant August was excellent just as you said.  I&#8217;d be interested in participating in the consortium you&#8217;re considering.  Keep us in the loop.<br />
Mike Hudy<br />
Shaker Consulting Group</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12955</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Apollo program is a great historic lens- it may turn out to be the moment of zenith for the United States, because the conditions that led up to it are (hopefully) unlikely to be repeated; cold wars against global enemies following the worldwide destruction of a giant real war.  

We are a pale shadow of ourselves these days, now having to go back to Apollo technology because we dont have the means to do a new shuttle system or the wisdom to know that manned spaceflight beyond orbit is probably a big waste of money. 

I also think that understanding the business of spaceflight is a good thing because it involves smart people doing difficult things with high stakes.  Even so, mistakes happen (like putting orbiter down the stack rather that at the top, costing two missions so far) and things change (rocket engines are far cheaper now, so an orbiter itself could be far lighter and cheaper if designed today) just like they do for everyone in business. 

As far as assessment goes, one word: simulation.  Apollo could not have worked without extensive simulations of everything from the vehicles and their dynamics to underwater practice with wrenches and shovels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Apollo program is a great historic lens- it may turn out to be the moment of zenith for the United States, because the conditions that led up to it are (hopefully) unlikely to be repeated; cold wars against global enemies following the worldwide destruction of a giant real war.  </p>
<p>We are a pale shadow of ourselves these days, now having to go back to Apollo technology because we dont have the means to do a new shuttle system or the wisdom to know that manned spaceflight beyond orbit is probably a big waste of money. </p>
<p>I also think that understanding the business of spaceflight is a good thing because it involves smart people doing difficult things with high stakes.  Even so, mistakes happen (like putting orbiter down the stack rather that at the top, costing two missions so far) and things change (rocket engines are far cheaper now, so an orbiter itself could be far lighter and cheaper if designed today) just like they do for everyone in business. </p>
<p>As far as assessment goes, one word: simulation.  Apollo could not have worked without extensive simulations of everything from the vehicles and their dynamics to underwater practice with wrenches and shovels.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hennessy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12936</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hennessy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being involved in both recruiting and consulting for staffing companies and start-ups in the HR space it is becoming more obvious to me that assessments are growing in importance in the hiring process. There are many innovative applications out there that if employed properly arm a recruiter with a much deeper understanding of the true attributes of a candidate in both skill and behavioral areas. I think the Appollo analogy may be a bit lofty but it will change the way we screen, evaluate and present candidates. Your article is certainly timely and I would be very interested in participating in any discussion group on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being involved in both recruiting and consulting for staffing companies and start-ups in the HR space it is becoming more obvious to me that assessments are growing in importance in the hiring process. There are many innovative applications out there that if employed properly arm a recruiter with a much deeper understanding of the true attributes of a candidate in both skill and behavioral areas. I think the Appollo analogy may be a bit lofty but it will change the way we screen, evaluate and present candidates. Your article is certainly timely and I would be very interested in participating in any discussion group on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: K.C. Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12909</link>
		<dc:creator>K.C. Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gaming industry would be a terrific place to go for all types of reasons - not to mention that assessments that use game like technologies and GUI&#039;s would be very compelling indeed to a large segment of the 85 million strong Net Generation that are begining to dominate the work force.  We have been thinking up ideas for game type online assessment and learning programs for the last several months - and you have inspired us Charles to see if we can incorporate them somehow in the Clean Journey - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gaming industry would be a terrific place to go for all types of reasons &#8211; not to mention that assessments that use game like technologies and GUI&#8217;s would be very compelling indeed to a large segment of the 85 million strong Net Generation that are begining to dominate the work force.  We have been thinking up ideas for game type online assessment and learning programs for the last several months &#8211; and you have inspired us Charles to see if we can incorporate them somehow in the Clean Journey &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Tom Janz</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12904</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Tom Janz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Charles,
Sorry I missed you at SIOP this year. I was in and out fairly quickly. I have previously suggested that the online gaming player data already could be scored for short term memory, which McDaniels has shown is a strong correlate of GMA (and thus job performance) but causes 50% of the adverse impact of traditional GMA measures. I am interested, so keep me informed.
Tom Janz
GHAS, LLC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Charles,<br />
Sorry I missed you at SIOP this year. I was in and out fairly quickly. I have previously suggested that the online gaming player data already could be scored for short term memory, which McDaniels has shown is a strong correlate of GMA (and thus job performance) but causes 50% of the adverse impact of traditional GMA measures. I am interested, so keep me informed.<br />
Tom Janz<br />
GHAS, LLC</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Fetzer</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12902</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Fetzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Charles,
Great article, and I&#039;d love to be a part of the consortium. I have a feeling we have a lot more to learn from the game developers than they do from us, e.g. we need to figure out how to score these things based on job-related KSAOs rather than body count ;-)   SIGGRAPH 2009 would be an interesting place to start/meet (and it is in your backyard this year), or we could get something going virtually.  Like the great Apollo 11 team, some sort of project-focused aspect of this would help us explore real possibilities.
Mike Fetzer
PreVisor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Charles,<br />
Great article, and I&#8217;d love to be a part of the consortium. I have a feeling we have a lot more to learn from the game developers than they do from us, e.g. we need to figure out how to score these things based on job-related KSAOs rather than body count ;-)   SIGGRAPH 2009 would be an interesting place to start/meet (and it is in your backyard this year), or we could get something going virtually.  Like the great Apollo 11 team, some sort of project-focused aspect of this would help us explore real possibilities.<br />
Mike Fetzer<br />
PreVisor</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12901</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this article a couple times thinking that perhaps my first impression was off.  Perhaps I should simply delete the email that hit my inbox and move on.  Then again, the article was marketed and emailed to me, so upon deliberation, I would be remiss to not comment whatsoever.

To compare our very first manned mission to land on the moon to employee assessment technology borders on comic absurdity.  I understand the reference to the evolution of computers and science, but comparing employee assessments to landing on the moon?

I&#039;m an Executive Recruiter, but I&#039;m not comparing making a successful hire to a lunar mission. I do admit feeling like Neil Armstrong sometimes, though :) (&quot;That&#039;s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.&quot;)

Ultimately, you can&#039;t teach machines human intuition.  Sure, you can program in logic and teach a machine to learn . . . but you can&#039;t replace the human component.

At the end of the day, employee assessments are nothing more than a small piece of the deliberation process.  Why?  Because it&#039;s the hiring authority that holds ultimate responsibility for the performance of the hire, and that&#039;s how it should be.  Show me someone who blames a bad hire on an employee assessment (&quot;The machine told me to do it&quot;), and I&#039;ll show you someone who is on their way out the door.

Let&#039;s come back to Earth - it&#039;s more fun down here :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this article a couple times thinking that perhaps my first impression was off.  Perhaps I should simply delete the email that hit my inbox and move on.  Then again, the article was marketed and emailed to me, so upon deliberation, I would be remiss to not comment whatsoever.</p>
<p>To compare our very first manned mission to land on the moon to employee assessment technology borders on comic absurdity.  I understand the reference to the evolution of computers and science, but comparing employee assessments to landing on the moon?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an Executive Recruiter, but I&#8217;m not comparing making a successful hire to a lunar mission. I do admit feeling like Neil Armstrong sometimes, though :) (&#8221;That&#8217;s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Ultimately, you can&#8217;t teach machines human intuition.  Sure, you can program in logic and teach a machine to learn . . . but you can&#8217;t replace the human component.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, employee assessments are nothing more than a small piece of the deliberation process.  Why?  Because it&#8217;s the hiring authority that holds ultimate responsibility for the performance of the hire, and that&#8217;s how it should be.  Show me someone who blames a bad hire on an employee assessment (&#8221;The machine told me to do it&#8221;), and I&#8217;ll show you someone who is on their way out the door.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s come back to Earth &#8211; it&#8217;s more fun down here :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/06/16/apollo-11-rocket-science-and-the-future-of-hiring/comment-page-1/#comment-12898</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analogy; we are indeed at the start of something great in the field of assessment.  My only concern is that as technology brings us new ideas and tools to use, we will eagerly embrace them without considering the time tested principles of good assessment: job analysis, validation, and defensibility.  Here&#039;s to hoping that the two fields can grow together, and the result will be better, faster hires!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analogy; we are indeed at the start of something great in the field of assessment.  My only concern is that as technology brings us new ideas and tools to use, we will eagerly embrace them without considering the time tested principles of good assessment: job analysis, validation, and defensibility.  Here&#8217;s to hoping that the two fields can grow together, and the result will be better, faster hires!</p>
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