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	<title>Comments on: Not All Employee Turnover Is Bad &#8212; Celebrate &#8220;Losing the Losers&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Sasha Baby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasha Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article,but one that assumes you have a management force that can discern whats more important quality staff or the bottom line. In theory you&#039;d rid your corporation of deadweight. Many companies are simply taking advantage of desperate job seekers to reduce thier costs (401K, benefits)They bring in novice employees at ridiculous wages with no regard for the loyalty of existing long time staff,or the relationships they&#039;ve established with clients. Many employers are behaving badly in this bad economy because they can. The churn syndrome is a scary trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article,but one that assumes you have a management force that can discern whats more important quality staff or the bottom line. In theory you&#8217;d rid your corporation of deadweight. Many companies are simply taking advantage of desperate job seekers to reduce thier costs (401K, benefits)They bring in novice employees at ridiculous wages with no regard for the loyalty of existing long time staff,or the relationships they&#8217;ve established with clients. Many employers are behaving badly in this bad economy because they can. The churn syndrome is a scary trend.</p>
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		<title>By: SmartBlog on Workforce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week&#8217;s most clicked</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmartBlog on Workforce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week&#8217;s most clicked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In defense of turnover [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Sumser</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sumser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emphasizing &#039;losers&#039; overlooks an important part of this equation. Too many &#039;winners&#039;, clustered at the top of an organization, starts to shut down the flow of opportunity for new employees. As organizations age and their ability to grow organically slows, the availability of challenge (the essential retention attribute) requires management. 

I&#039;m thinking in particular about older industries (metals,  utilities, heavy manufacturing) who often have trouble attracting young workers. Part of the problem is the median age of the employee population. The other part of the problem is that as the years have passed and they cut out the &#039;losers&#039;, they are left with an aging team of winners.

People with short tenure make the sort of mistakes that can only be made by someone who &#039;doesn&#039;t know what they are doing&#039;. It&#039;s terribly important not to confuse inexperience with poor performance. The heavier the cuts, the harder that is to keep in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emphasizing &#8216;losers&#8217; overlooks an important part of this equation. Too many &#8216;winners&#8217;, clustered at the top of an organization, starts to shut down the flow of opportunity for new employees. As organizations age and their ability to grow organically slows, the availability of challenge (the essential retention attribute) requires management. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking in particular about older industries (metals,  utilities, heavy manufacturing) who often have trouble attracting young workers. Part of the problem is the median age of the employee population. The other part of the problem is that as the years have passed and they cut out the &#8216;losers&#8217;, they are left with an aging team of winners.</p>
<p>People with short tenure make the sort of mistakes that can only be made by someone who &#8216;doesn&#8217;t know what they are doing&#8217;. It&#8217;s terribly important not to confuse inexperience with poor performance. The heavier the cuts, the harder that is to keep in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Links 04/09/2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 04/09/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Melrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Melrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. John is quite right that overly simplistic (e.g. one-dimensional) views of turnover adversely affect both managerial priorities and organizational performance.

Peter Drucker said: “Executives owe it to the organization and to their fellow workers not to tolerate nonperforming individuals in important jobs.”  That duty should extend to all people managers (not just executives) and to all sub par performers, regardless of &quot;unimportance&quot; of their positions.

Businesses face four distinct “turnover-related” challenges:

  Identifying, losing and certainly not hiring Losers.

  Identifying, attracting and retaining Winners.

  Assessing, upgrading and redeploying, Survivors (usually
  more than 50% of total).

  And, driving employee engagement to unprecedented levels.

The goals should include: (i) No Losers; (ii) More and Better Winners; (iii) Better and Continuously Improving Survivors; and (iv) Ever-higher Levels of Employee Engagement (driving Retention, Productivity, Talent Access).

Bestselling author of “The Goal”, Eliyahu Goldratt, said “Tell me how you will measure me and I will tell you how I will behave.”  Measure those four things, instead of one-dmensional turnover, and the organization will behave well and thrive, accordingly.

Fortunately, we have high-performance, online assessments (surveys, tools, etc.) that make it possible to do all these things systematically, capably and confidently, at every level of the organization, starting now.  And better than affordable, these solutions are downright profitable, exhibiting three- and four-digit short-term ROIs.

In “Good to Great”, bestselling author Jim Collins referenced “the sheer rigor needed in people decisions in order to take a company from good to great.”  Best-in-class assessment solutions can do all the heavy lifting; the right tools help make “sheer rigor” look easy.  Interested?  Learn More.  Email:r.melrose@vision21.us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. John is quite right that overly simplistic (e.g. one-dimensional) views of turnover adversely affect both managerial priorities and organizational performance.</p>
<p>Peter Drucker said: “Executives owe it to the organization and to their fellow workers not to tolerate nonperforming individuals in important jobs.”  That duty should extend to all people managers (not just executives) and to all sub par performers, regardless of &#8220;unimportance&#8221; of their positions.</p>
<p>Businesses face four distinct “turnover-related” challenges:</p>
<p>  Identifying, losing and certainly not hiring Losers.</p>
<p>  Identifying, attracting and retaining Winners.</p>
<p>  Assessing, upgrading and redeploying, Survivors (usually<br />
  more than 50% of total).</p>
<p>  And, driving employee engagement to unprecedented levels.</p>
<p>The goals should include: (i) No Losers; (ii) More and Better Winners; (iii) Better and Continuously Improving Survivors; and (iv) Ever-higher Levels of Employee Engagement (driving Retention, Productivity, Talent Access).</p>
<p>Bestselling author of “The Goal”, Eliyahu Goldratt, said “Tell me how you will measure me and I will tell you how I will behave.”  Measure those four things, instead of one-dmensional turnover, and the organization will behave well and thrive, accordingly.</p>
<p>Fortunately, we have high-performance, online assessments (surveys, tools, etc.) that make it possible to do all these things systematically, capably and confidently, at every level of the organization, starting now.  And better than affordable, these solutions are downright profitable, exhibiting three- and four-digit short-term ROIs.</p>
<p>In “Good to Great”, bestselling author Jim Collins referenced “the sheer rigor needed in people decisions in order to take a company from good to great.”  Best-in-class assessment solutions can do all the heavy lifting; the right tools help make “sheer rigor” look easy.  Interested?  Learn More.  Email:r.melrose@vision21.us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. John,

Very insightful, and very timely with the current economic conditions most firms face.  I can see low turnover being exasperated as &quot;natural selection&quot; by people in poor fitting roles stay because they are nervous about the possibilities elsewhere.  Jack Welch was on the right track by culling the bottom 10% of the workforce every year.  The philosophy is somewhat harsh, but ultimately the right decision for both the firm and employee.  

Kevin Cook
Target Teams, Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. John,</p>
<p>Very insightful, and very timely with the current economic conditions most firms face.  I can see low turnover being exasperated as &#8220;natural selection&#8221; by people in poor fitting roles stay because they are nervous about the possibilities elsewhere.  Jack Welch was on the right track by culling the bottom 10% of the workforce every year.  The philosophy is somewhat harsh, but ultimately the right decision for both the firm and employee.  </p>
<p>Kevin Cook<br />
Target Teams, Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderfully said Dr. John!  Reminds me of how other HR staffers scoffed at me back in the late &#039;80&#039;s (when I was working in a large corporate HR department) as I ditched the old turnover report and replaced it with a &quot;Separations&quot; report that broke out Terminations from Resignations.  Amazing that we are still fighting this battle.  

I guess for some it&#039;s just easier to to make turnover the devil.  But as you point out there is &quot;good&quot; turnover and &quot;bad&quot; turnover.  And let&#039;s not forget about &quot;Churnover&quot; in which we keep filling the same position.  But as you say, that&#039;s for a separate article.
Ron Katz
Penguin HR Consulting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderfully said Dr. John!  Reminds me of how other HR staffers scoffed at me back in the late &#8217;80&#8217;s (when I was working in a large corporate HR department) as I ditched the old turnover report and replaced it with a &#8220;Separations&#8221; report that broke out Terminations from Resignations.  Amazing that we are still fighting this battle.  </p>
<p>I guess for some it&#8217;s just easier to to make turnover the devil.  But as you point out there is &#8220;good&#8221; turnover and &#8220;bad&#8221; turnover.  And let&#8217;s not forget about &#8220;Churnover&#8221; in which we keep filling the same position.  But as you say, that&#8217;s for a separate article.<br />
Ron Katz<br />
Penguin HR Consulting</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Sharib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Sharib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am always amazed at the articulateness you put into all your articles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always amazed at the articulateness you put into all your articles!</p>
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