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		<title>By: Staffing &#38; Recruiting Software Community - THE BULLHORN BLOGGER &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Return to Recruiting: Notes, Thoughts and Commentary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Staffing &#38; Recruiting Software Community - THE BULLHORN BLOGGER &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Return to Recruiting: Notes, Thoughts and Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Poor Leadership : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/03/03/a-return-to-recruiting-notes-thoughts-and-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-12110</link>
		<dc:creator>Poor Leadership : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 10:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how does this little tirade relate to the emerging role of tomorrow&#8217;s recruiter? (See A Return to Recruiting: Notes, Thoughts, and Commentary.) Glad you asked. The future of recruiting is all about leadership and doing what is right for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rescession Skills for Recruitment, blah blah blah &#171; BW Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rescession Skills for Recruitment, blah blah blah &#171; BW Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with suggestions such as &#8220;Be nice&#8221;*, &#8220;Discuss things openly and honestly&#8221;*, and &#8220;Once you talk to them, be straightforward and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephani Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephani Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right on with the &quot;One more thing. Be nice.&quot; Comment.  

I am a Job Seeker and I _am_ making a list of who got back to me even to say, &quot;Thank you, but I don&#039;t have any positions that fit your profile at the moment.&quot; and who do not.  As a senor level manager, when I find my next career move I will certainly be in a position to remember those who spent 10 seconds to touch another human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right on with the &#8220;One more thing. Be nice.&#8221; Comment.  </p>
<p>I am a Job Seeker and I _am_ making a list of who got back to me even to say, &#8220;Thank you, but I don&#8217;t have any positions that fit your profile at the moment.&#8221; and who do not.  As a senor level manager, when I find my next career move I will certainly be in a position to remember those who spent 10 seconds to touch another human being.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard, 

Since I am quoting you (and maybe channeling you) I thought I should copy you on the comment I posted to the March 03 blog &quot;Forget the passive candidate&quot;. I read some of the articles on ERE, including yours, but rarely the blogs. I almost never post a comment. But I happened to read this (&quot;Forget the Passive Candidate&quot;) blog, and it got me going. I am as anxious about my business as anyone out there. But I have high standards for serving my clients, and I hope in the long run those will prevail.

Hold Everything
posted 3/4/2009 at 8:39 p.m. PT by Lynne Sebastian 

As a retained search recruiter, my job is to source, evaluate and recruit the best candidate for my client. I really don&#039;t care whether that candidate is passive, aggressive, quick or dead (well, maybe dead is a knockout factor). And as Howard Adamsky succinctly put it recently, my job involves aggessively defending my client from the wrong candidates, of whom there will be plenty. Yes, let HR worry about the numbers. And I am always nice, but I don&#039;t believe I have to reply to everyone who asks for my attention. 

As far as &quot;social responsibility&quot; goes: If I secure the best candidate for my client, that enables them to continue to create jobs. And if the candidate I help them hire comes from a competitor, then that competitor helps the economy by replacing him or her. Duh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard, </p>
<p>Since I am quoting you (and maybe channeling you) I thought I should copy you on the comment I posted to the March 03 blog &#8220;Forget the passive candidate&#8221;. I read some of the articles on ERE, including yours, but rarely the blogs. I almost never post a comment. But I happened to read this (&#8220;Forget the Passive Candidate&#8221;) blog, and it got me going. I am as anxious about my business as anyone out there. But I have high standards for serving my clients, and I hope in the long run those will prevail.</p>
<p>Hold Everything<br />
posted 3/4/2009 at 8:39 p.m. PT by Lynne Sebastian </p>
<p>As a retained search recruiter, my job is to source, evaluate and recruit the best candidate for my client. I really don&#8217;t care whether that candidate is passive, aggressive, quick or dead (well, maybe dead is a knockout factor). And as Howard Adamsky succinctly put it recently, my job involves aggessively defending my client from the wrong candidates, of whom there will be plenty. Yes, let HR worry about the numbers. And I am always nice, but I don&#8217;t believe I have to reply to everyone who asks for my attention. </p>
<p>As far as &#8220;social responsibility&#8221; goes: If I secure the best candidate for my client, that enables them to continue to create jobs. And if the candidate I help them hire comes from a competitor, then that competitor helps the economy by replacing him or her. Duh?</p>
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		<title>By: bill josephson</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill josephson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had the pleasure of doing business with and meeting Howard when he was on the other side of the desk in the past, and he certainly gets it on recruiting knowing his stuff.

Bill Josephson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of doing business with and meeting Howard when he was on the other side of the desk in the past, and he certainly gets it on recruiting knowing his stuff.</p>
<p>Bill Josephson</p>
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		<title>By: John Amodeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Amodeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With hiring slowdowns we&#039;ve discovered ways to add value in a host of ways which aren&#039;t singularly recruiting centric.  I&#039;ve seen some recruiters hide under the table for fear of not being perceived as being busy (previous company), and I&#039;ve seen people here step up and go find ways to volunteer, pitch in, cross the jagged mountains to cross the chasm between HR and Recruiting.  We build talent pools, help with the ERP implementation, meet with client managers to retune the message, ask if client managers were King/Queen what they&#039;d like to see us priming the pump for in the future.   

We&#039;ll still bring select candidates to the party.  But now its about ways we can participate in process improvement.  Build for the future. Ways recruiters can envision tactics to take inefficiencies out of the system.  Ways to optimize process.  Ways recruiters can go belly to belly with client managers to ask a host of &quot;what if&quot; questions followed by less frenzied opportunities to listen, to learn, and to bond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With hiring slowdowns we&#8217;ve discovered ways to add value in a host of ways which aren&#8217;t singularly recruiting centric.  I&#8217;ve seen some recruiters hide under the table for fear of not being perceived as being busy (previous company), and I&#8217;ve seen people here step up and go find ways to volunteer, pitch in, cross the jagged mountains to cross the chasm between HR and Recruiting.  We build talent pools, help with the ERP implementation, meet with client managers to retune the message, ask if client managers were King/Queen what they&#8217;d like to see us priming the pump for in the future.   </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll still bring select candidates to the party.  But now its about ways we can participate in process improvement.  Build for the future. Ways recruiters can envision tactics to take inefficiencies out of the system.  Ways to optimize process.  Ways recruiters can go belly to belly with client managers to ask a host of &#8220;what if&#8221; questions followed by less frenzied opportunities to listen, to learn, and to bond.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Beabout CPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Beabout CPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard,

It is very refreshing to hear you cut to the chase. I could not agree with your summary more. Great advice for everyone, rookies and veterans.

Doug Beabout CPC CSP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard,</p>
<p>It is very refreshing to hear you cut to the chase. I could not agree with your summary more. Great advice for everyone, rookies and veterans.</p>
<p>Doug Beabout CPC CSP</p>
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		<title>By: scott ariens</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott ariens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Those specializing in the impossible will do well.”

Wholeheartedly agree ... what we are seeing now - and have seen for a while - is that the 3rd party placement vendor business is all about &#039;finding needles in haystacks&#039; - only the needles are more rare and the haystack is larger. My concern for the future of the business as a successful third party guy is that unless one is able to really create a sustainable niche and relationships as &#039;go-to value added resource&#039; (which is getting harder and harder to do and generally only involves &#039;strategic hiring&#039; initiatives) the income opportunities in this profession will continue to diminish - the paradox is that all of the late-generation tools (LinkedIn, Jigsaw, blogs, etc.) are utilized as little more than &#039;sourcing&#039; imperatives - and the value of paying a fee is rarely if ever as much about &#039;sourcing&#039; as it  is about &#039;assessment&#039; (or should be) -  therein lies the value of what we do .... and in my considerable experience it is truly the rare &#039;internal staff recruiter&#039; (or hiring manager, to be blunt) that has the perspective to be able to accomplish this effectively.  Therein lies the business challenge.  This is too tough a business to make mediocre $$ - (i.e.: early six figures) - there are way too many other gigs to make the kind of $$ we&#039;re used to, IMHO.  Good luck, all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Those specializing in the impossible will do well.”</p>
<p>Wholeheartedly agree &#8230; what we are seeing now &#8211; and have seen for a while &#8211; is that the 3rd party placement vendor business is all about &#8216;finding needles in haystacks&#8217; &#8211; only the needles are more rare and the haystack is larger. My concern for the future of the business as a successful third party guy is that unless one is able to really create a sustainable niche and relationships as &#8216;go-to value added resource&#8217; (which is getting harder and harder to do and generally only involves &#8216;strategic hiring&#8217; initiatives) the income opportunities in this profession will continue to diminish &#8211; the paradox is that all of the late-generation tools (LinkedIn, Jigsaw, blogs, etc.) are utilized as little more than &#8216;sourcing&#8217; imperatives &#8211; and the value of paying a fee is rarely if ever as much about &#8216;sourcing&#8217; as it  is about &#8216;assessment&#8217; (or should be) &#8211;  therein lies the value of what we do &#8230;. and in my considerable experience it is truly the rare &#8216;internal staff recruiter&#8217; (or hiring manager, to be blunt) that has the perspective to be able to accomplish this effectively.  Therein lies the business challenge.  This is too tough a business to make mediocre $$ &#8211; (i.e.: early six figures) &#8211; there are way too many other gigs to make the kind of $$ we&#8217;re used to, IMHO.  Good luck, all.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Noebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Noebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard - this is spot on!  The interesting thing from my perspectice is that it took this kind of economic rough-housing to get people to be willing to come face to face with these ideas.

To be a little shameless here, your thoughts and mine seem pretty similar - take a look at my article &quot;Cognitive Dissonance&quot; that was printed in the ERE Journal of Corporate Leadership.

I particularly love your question, &quot;What new breed of recruiter will evolve from this misery and what will they bring to the table to meet the still undefined future all of us must face?&quot;

The new breed is, well, the old breed - those of us old schoolers that remember the days of working the phones, getting to know our clients genuine needs, wants and expectations, etc. and in knowing those candidates whose own needs, wants and expectations match up well.  Oh, and being able to deliver them of course.

Work done well is going to re-emerge as more important then simply getting work done fast.  The old addage that it is faster to do it right once then to have to do it over again is especially true right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard &#8211; this is spot on!  The interesting thing from my perspectice is that it took this kind of economic rough-housing to get people to be willing to come face to face with these ideas.</p>
<p>To be a little shameless here, your thoughts and mine seem pretty similar &#8211; take a look at my article &#8220;Cognitive Dissonance&#8221; that was printed in the ERE Journal of Corporate Leadership.</p>
<p>I particularly love your question, &#8220;What new breed of recruiter will evolve from this misery and what will they bring to the table to meet the still undefined future all of us must face?&#8221;</p>
<p>The new breed is, well, the old breed &#8211; those of us old schoolers that remember the days of working the phones, getting to know our clients genuine needs, wants and expectations, etc. and in knowing those candidates whose own needs, wants and expectations match up well.  Oh, and being able to deliver them of course.</p>
<p>Work done well is going to re-emerge as more important then simply getting work done fast.  The old addage that it is faster to do it right once then to have to do it over again is especially true right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Stowell</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/03/03/a-return-to-recruiting-notes-thoughts-and-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-10874</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Stowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line is we are paid to create, maintain, sustain, and nuture relationships whether it be on a computer, phone or in person. You&#039;re the man Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is we are paid to create, maintain, sustain, and nuture relationships whether it be on a computer, phone or in person. You&#8217;re the man Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: monica bell</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/03/03/a-return-to-recruiting-notes-thoughts-and-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-10872</link>
		<dc:creator>monica bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re talking my language, Howard.  We will survive and thrive! -m.-</description>
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		<title>By: Maureen Sharib</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2009/03/03/a-return-to-recruiting-notes-thoughts-and-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-10867</link>
		<dc:creator>Maureen Sharib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;When it is person-to-person contact you need, the experience of picking up the phone can be magical.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; ~ Howard Adamsky
I love it when you talk dirty, Howard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;When it is person-to-person contact you need, the experience of picking up the phone can be magical.&#8221;</em> ~ Howard Adamsky<br />
I love it when you talk dirty, Howard.</p>
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