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		<title>By: HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; Quit Trying To Nail Everything</title>
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		<dc:creator>HRM Today - Blog Archive &#187; Quit Trying To Nail Everything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post by Kevin Wheeler (who is a smart and good guy) fired me up this morning.  Yes there are a lot of things in social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quit Trying To Nail Everything &#171; Talent Alchemy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/09/04/four-required-recruiting-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-7228</link>
		<dc:creator>Quit Trying To Nail Everything &#171; Talent Alchemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 5, 2008 &#183; No Comments  Today&#8217;s post by Kevin Wheeler (who is a smart and good guy) fired me up this morning.  Yes there are a lot of things in social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: William Uranga</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/09/04/four-required-recruiting-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-7227</link>
		<dc:creator>William Uranga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin get&#039;s it partial credit for a good post.  Yes these are great tools...

The problem is with what most assume the definition of &quot;tool&quot; is versus what many of these items are: social media.

Social media isn&#039;t just about marketing (or sales).  If it was it would merely be a tool.  Traditional marketing (or sales) is approached by recruiters as a way of finding people and TELLING THEM WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO HEAR.  Blogs, who&#039;s &quot;comments&quot; sections are sparse these days, and Linkedin are of this type (although there are some new offerings).

Social media is about a CONVERSATION between two parties.  Most recruiters aren&#039;t intersted or know what they have to offer (besides an opportunity or their corporate brand).  You can&#039;t effectively use Twitter, MySpace, Facebook, Plurk etc. if you just want to broadcast your message.  

Why use social media then?  Because you are committed to building a community (maybe it&#039;s with recruiters or a particular industry or a specific skill set) and will CONTRIBUTE to the conversation, not just &quot;hit it&quot; and give nothing in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin get&#8217;s it partial credit for a good post.  Yes these are great tools&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem is with what most assume the definition of &#8220;tool&#8221; is versus what many of these items are: social media.</p>
<p>Social media isn&#8217;t just about marketing (or sales).  If it was it would merely be a tool.  Traditional marketing (or sales) is approached by recruiters as a way of finding people and TELLING THEM WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO HEAR.  Blogs, who&#8217;s &#8220;comments&#8221; sections are sparse these days, and Linkedin are of this type (although there are some new offerings).</p>
<p>Social media is about a CONVERSATION between two parties.  Most recruiters aren&#8217;t intersted or know what they have to offer (besides an opportunity or their corporate brand).  You can&#8217;t effectively use Twitter, MySpace, Facebook, Plurk etc. if you just want to broadcast your message.  </p>
<p>Why use social media then?  Because you are committed to building a community (maybe it&#8217;s with recruiters or a particular industry or a specific skill set) and will CONTRIBUTE to the conversation, not just &#8220;hit it&#8221; and give nothing in return.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Dingee</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/09/04/four-required-recruiting-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-7226</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Dingee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wheeler is spot on in his assessment, these are the current tools in a searcher&#039;s arsenal.  I just came back from a conference and talked to several people that have had hiring success with LinkedIn.  Recruiters who use the LinkedIn Recruiter product seem to be seeing a definite ROI.  When I asked about the continued request for metrics, many of them said they were fine with others not jumping on the LI bandwagon, it left more candidates for them to work with.

And as for Facebook, MySpace, etc.  They are useful - I was amazed at all the potential they hold when I helped research a course at my current employer on how to use these virtual world sourcing sites.  MySpace in particular you can XRay by job title and find potential candidates.  Granted you may find more than you bargained for, but that&#039;s part of it, fortunately or unfortunately.

Twitter, I&#039;m a fan and regular user for the last 6 months.  You can search the site, like you would user groups, search by expertise like &quot;ruby on rails&quot; or again XRay it and search on keyword (not just job title).   Twitter is good for relationship building and exponentially expanding your talent base.  And when you develop advanced searches to FlipSearch the site - you get nice results as well.

And these sites are just the tip of the iceberg, they all have competitors jockeying for online users, so that increases where you can find people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wheeler is spot on in his assessment, these are the current tools in a searcher&#8217;s arsenal.  I just came back from a conference and talked to several people that have had hiring success with LinkedIn.  Recruiters who use the LinkedIn Recruiter product seem to be seeing a definite ROI.  When I asked about the continued request for metrics, many of them said they were fine with others not jumping on the LI bandwagon, it left more candidates for them to work with.</p>
<p>And as for Facebook, MySpace, etc.  They are useful &#8211; I was amazed at all the potential they hold when I helped research a course at my current employer on how to use these virtual world sourcing sites.  MySpace in particular you can XRay by job title and find potential candidates.  Granted you may find more than you bargained for, but that&#8217;s part of it, fortunately or unfortunately.</p>
<p>Twitter, I&#8217;m a fan and regular user for the last 6 months.  You can search the site, like you would user groups, search by expertise like &#8220;ruby on rails&#8221; or again XRay it and search on keyword (not just job title).   Twitter is good for relationship building and exponentially expanding your talent base.  And when you develop advanced searches to FlipSearch the site &#8211; you get nice results as well.</p>
<p>And these sites are just the tip of the iceberg, they all have competitors jockeying for online users, so that increases where you can find people.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 million Twitter accounts @ 100% usage would be under .6% of the US population.  Daily users probably account for a third or less of accounts, so you may have fewer than 2/10 of a percent total users, not counting demographics, which probably take you somewhere in the order of .005% candidates as prime Twitter targets across the economy.  Even in high-tech, you are going to be in the few % range at best. 

Twitter is a great name, a great idea, and a great brand, but like Kleenex and Coke, there are other SMS tools around and there will be more, not to mention the hundreds of status tickers running on various sites.  I think most ATS and Web2.0 sites will provide seamless SMS features as parts of their offerings, and this may include some kind of aggregation of tickers. 

Inevitibly people will maintain fairly standardized kinds of online personae to deal with the world, and to be dealt with by the world.  Scary for some, opportunity for others, but its happening as we speak; LinkedIn, Facebook, MySpace and Twitter are ancestors already many times over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 million Twitter accounts @ 100% usage would be under .6% of the US population.  Daily users probably account for a third or less of accounts, so you may have fewer than 2/10 of a percent total users, not counting demographics, which probably take you somewhere in the order of .005% candidates as prime Twitter targets across the economy.  Even in high-tech, you are going to be in the few % range at best. </p>
<p>Twitter is a great name, a great idea, and a great brand, but like Kleenex and Coke, there are other SMS tools around and there will be more, not to mention the hundreds of status tickers running on various sites.  I think most ATS and Web2.0 sites will provide seamless SMS features as parts of their offerings, and this may include some kind of aggregation of tickers. </p>
<p>Inevitibly people will maintain fairly standardized kinds of online personae to deal with the world, and to be dealt with by the world.  Scary for some, opportunity for others, but its happening as we speak; LinkedIn, Facebook, MySpace and Twitter are ancestors already many times over.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Crumley</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/09/04/four-required-recruiting-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-7217</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Crumley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Show us what&#039;s worked, and how they measured it.  I&#039;ve done a lot of research in this space, and have only once heard anyone say they&#039;ve made hires.  That&#039;s Ernst and Young.  They seem to be very active, but invest a lot of time.  Who else has success, and what did they do?  We want to be out there, but can&#039;t really justify the returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Show us what&#8217;s worked, and how they measured it.  I&#8217;ve done a lot of research in this space, and have only once heard anyone say they&#8217;ve made hires.  That&#8217;s Ernst and Young.  They seem to be very active, but invest a lot of time.  Who else has success, and what did they do?  We want to be out there, but can&#8217;t really justify the returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Massie</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/09/04/four-required-recruiting-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-7214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Massie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, let&#039;s see some metrics.  Everyone can write all they want about Twitter and MySpace and say they&#039;re a great tool, but who has proof?  Does the Army have any quantifiable metrics on who they&#039;ve recruited from Facebook?  Does Sprint-Nextel know who they&#039;ve hired using Twitter?  It almost seems like we (recruiting bloggers) waste even more time talking about these &quot;tools&quot; than actually making placements or hires from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, let&#8217;s see some metrics.  Everyone can write all they want about Twitter and MySpace and say they&#8217;re a great tool, but who has proof?  Does the Army have any quantifiable metrics on who they&#8217;ve recruited from Facebook?  Does Sprint-Nextel know who they&#8217;ve hired using Twitter?  It almost seems like we (recruiting bloggers) waste even more time talking about these &#8220;tools&#8221; than actually making placements or hires from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is off on a tangent, and I don&#039;t mean to damper your enthusiums but I gotta stick up for electricity! I mean, the Internet...already earned its place as a technology and a social movement as important as electricity. My man, come on! I live in a cold weather state with hot humid summers and without electricity I&#039;d be spending much of my time trying to stay warm or languishing in scorching heat. There would be no computers, in fact we&#039;d be reading by candlelight! No electric guitars - take me now, what kind of world would that be? 

I could go on and on but I trust you get the point. Of course the Internet is cool but it pales in comparison to electricity. (And I don&#039;t even work for a power company!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is off on a tangent, and I don&#8217;t mean to damper your enthusiums but I gotta stick up for electricity! I mean, the Internet&#8230;already earned its place as a technology and a social movement as important as electricity. My man, come on! I live in a cold weather state with hot humid summers and without electricity I&#8217;d be spending much of my time trying to stay warm or languishing in scorching heat. There would be no computers, in fact we&#8217;d be reading by candlelight! No electric guitars &#8211; take me now, what kind of world would that be? </p>
<p>I could go on and on but I trust you get the point. Of course the Internet is cool but it pales in comparison to electricity. (And I don&#8217;t even work for a power company!).</p>
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		<title>By: Jan tenPas</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/09/04/four-required-recruiting-tools/comment-page-1/#comment-7208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan tenPas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always hear mixed reviews on the effectiveness of these networking tools.  Other than dabbling on Linked In, I don&#039;t have much experience sourcing from these sites.  Can anyone provide some real metrics as to the number of placements that these sites have provided for your organization?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always hear mixed reviews on the effectiveness of these networking tools.  Other than dabbling on Linked In, I don&#8217;t have much experience sourcing from these sites.  Can anyone provide some real metrics as to the number of placements that these sites have provided for your organization?</p>
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