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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/07/31/the-myth-of-a-talent-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-11686</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Kevin.

A couple of points (one of which has already been addressed):

1) IMHO, there will be severe shortages in areas where you see the compensation of those performing the work and those looking for the performers quickly and seriously increasing. (I haven&#039;t seen that since the Dot.com Era.)

2) When someone uses jargony words like &quot;talent&quot; for &quot;people&quot; or &quot;war&quot; for &quot;same-old, same-old&quot;, or &quot;associate&quot; for &quot;wage-slave&quot; or &quot;opportunity&quot; for &quot;no-pay&quot;, there is a reasonable likelihood that someone in a $1,500 suit and an $80 haircut is going to try and sell you or get you to do something very costly. We should remember that much of employment practices today are based on the &quot;GAFI Principles&quot;: 
Greed, Arrogance, Fear, and Ignorance.
So, watch out for the hype and watch your wallet!

Cheers,

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Kevin.</p>
<p>A couple of points (one of which has already been addressed):</p>
<p>1) IMHO, there will be severe shortages in areas where you see the compensation of those performing the work and those looking for the performers quickly and seriously increasing. (I haven&#8217;t seen that since the Dot.com Era.)</p>
<p>2) When someone uses jargony words like &#8220;talent&#8221; for &#8220;people&#8221; or &#8220;war&#8221; for &#8220;same-old, same-old&#8221;, or &#8220;associate&#8221; for &#8220;wage-slave&#8221; or &#8220;opportunity&#8221; for &#8220;no-pay&#8221;, there is a reasonable likelihood that someone in a $1,500 suit and an $80 haircut is going to try and sell you or get you to do something very costly. We should remember that much of employment practices today are based on the &#8220;GAFI Principles&#8221;:<br />
Greed, Arrogance, Fear, and Ignorance.<br />
So, watch out for the hype and watch your wallet!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Gilmour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Gilmour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 10:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you use the phrase &quot;labor shortage&quot; or &quot;talent shortage&quot; you&#039;re speaking in a sentence fragment.  What you actually have to say is:  &quot;There is a labor shortage at the salary level I&#039;m willing to pay.&quot;  That statement is the correct phrase; the complete sentence, the intellectually honest statement.

If you start raising your wages and improving working conditions --and continue to do so-- eventually you&#039;ll have people lining up around the block to work for you even if you need to have huge piles of steaming manure hand-scooped on a blazing summer afternoon.

One more thing...
With the majority of retirement accounts down 50% or more, people entering retirement age are being forced to work well into their sunset years.  So, you won’t be getting a worker shortage anytime soon due to retirees exiting the workforce.  You&#039;ll have all the workers you need if you start raising wages, increasing benefits and better working conditions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you use the phrase &#8220;labor shortage&#8221; or &#8220;talent shortage&#8221; you&#8217;re speaking in a sentence fragment.  What you actually have to say is:  &#8220;There is a labor shortage at the salary level I&#8217;m willing to pay.&#8221;  That statement is the correct phrase; the complete sentence, the intellectually honest statement.</p>
<p>If you start raising your wages and improving working conditions &#8211;and continue to do so&#8211; eventually you&#8217;ll have people lining up around the block to work for you even if you need to have huge piles of steaming manure hand-scooped on a blazing summer afternoon.</p>
<p>One more thing&#8230;<br />
With the majority of retirement accounts down 50% or more, people entering retirement age are being forced to work well into their sunset years.  So, you won’t be getting a worker shortage anytime soon due to retirees exiting the workforce.  You&#8217;ll have all the workers you need if you start raising wages, increasing benefits and better working conditions!</p>
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		<title>By: Donald E. Breckenridge Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald E. Breckenridge Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin: While your arguments about the talent shortage being a myth is plausible, it also leaves out many factors faced by corporate and agency recruiters (and, in fact, also corporate HR) today.  While I might buy the argument of geography and that baby boomer retirement is a bit premature (based on their financial situations), both are weak supporting points. IMHO, the talent shortage has less to do with geography and boomers and more to do with the lack of skilled talent across many industries.  In fact, last week’s The Detroit News article - &quot;Baby boomers stay on the job longer than other generations” - turned the boomer retirement = talent shortage on its head.  

In the Manpower global survey on the talent  shortage, it was determined that the top 10 most difficult jobs to fulfill are skilled manual trades, sales representatives, technicians (primarily production/operations, engineering or maintenance), engineers, management/executives, laborers, office support staff, drivers, account &amp; finance and IT staff (primarily programmers/developers).  More than half require specialized knowledge and training.  Within our own Sendouts open job database, the majority of open jobs are in the medical profession, IT, engineers, or accounting/finance. The point is that other factors such as a shortage of experienced talent are available – either they don’t have the practical experience or they are taking another path. Case and point, I know a number of people who have graduated from med school. Some have even completed their residency and passed the boards.  Instead of working in the medical field, they are working for a top 3 financial services firm or a pharma company. Why? They are seriously in debt from student loans; it’s too expensive to actually practice medicine with today’s medical liability; and, quite frankly, they can easily have a six-figure without a lot less stress. 

The point being that the talent shortage – myth or not – needs more detailed research, trending data and a whole lot more analysis. While I’m a fan of Kevin’s articles, he tackled a topic that would take a Herculean effort to explore and explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin: While your arguments about the talent shortage being a myth is plausible, it also leaves out many factors faced by corporate and agency recruiters (and, in fact, also corporate HR) today.  While I might buy the argument of geography and that baby boomer retirement is a bit premature (based on their financial situations), both are weak supporting points. IMHO, the talent shortage has less to do with geography and boomers and more to do with the lack of skilled talent across many industries.  In fact, last week’s The Detroit News article &#8211; &#8220;Baby boomers stay on the job longer than other generations” &#8211; turned the boomer retirement = talent shortage on its head.  </p>
<p>In the Manpower global survey on the talent  shortage, it was determined that the top 10 most difficult jobs to fulfill are skilled manual trades, sales representatives, technicians (primarily production/operations, engineering or maintenance), engineers, management/executives, laborers, office support staff, drivers, account &amp; finance and IT staff (primarily programmers/developers).  More than half require specialized knowledge and training.  Within our own Sendouts open job database, the majority of open jobs are in the medical profession, IT, engineers, or accounting/finance. The point is that other factors such as a shortage of experienced talent are available – either they don’t have the practical experience or they are taking another path. Case and point, I know a number of people who have graduated from med school. Some have even completed their residency and passed the boards.  Instead of working in the medical field, they are working for a top 3 financial services firm or a pharma company. Why? They are seriously in debt from student loans; it’s too expensive to actually practice medicine with today’s medical liability; and, quite frankly, they can easily have a six-figure without a lot less stress. </p>
<p>The point being that the talent shortage – myth or not – needs more detailed research, trending data and a whole lot more analysis. While I’m a fan of Kevin’s articles, he tackled a topic that would take a Herculean effort to explore and explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Recruiting Blog: BuzzLinks 08-04-08: Unemployment, Talent Shortage, Legal Interview Questions &#124; thetalentbuzz.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recruiting Blog: BuzzLinks 08-04-08: Unemployment, Talent Shortage, Legal Interview Questions &#124; thetalentbuzz.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Moises Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moises Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little know fact, Generation Y outnumbers Baby Boomers - Worldwide they are 2 billion strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little know fact, Generation Y outnumbers Baby Boomers &#8211; Worldwide they are 2 billion strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Adamsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Adamsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating article. Kevin, please ignore Chris Sperhe&#039;s rude comments. I thought things were screened a bit more on the forum. (Who is Sullivant?)

As an aside, didn&#039;t a brilliant ERE author just say this in a revolutionary article just a few weeks ago? (See URL below...) See? We do agree on so much.

Enjoy the sumer Kevin!

H

http://www.ere.net/2008/06/17/a-war-for-talent-as-we-say-in-brooklyn-forgetaboutit/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article. Kevin, please ignore Chris Sperhe&#8217;s rude comments. I thought things were screened a bit more on the forum. (Who is Sullivant?)</p>
<p>As an aside, didn&#8217;t a brilliant ERE author just say this in a revolutionary article just a few weeks ago? (See URL below&#8230;) See? We do agree on so much.</p>
<p>Enjoy the sumer Kevin!</p>
<p>H</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ere.net/2008/06/17/a-war-for-talent-as-we-say-in-brooklyn-forgetaboutit/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ere.net/2008/06/17/a-war-for-talent-as-we-say-in-brooklyn-forgetaboutit/</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Lenard</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/07/31/the-myth-of-a-talent-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-6292</link>
		<dc:creator>George Lenard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tell &#039;im Chris.  Just when I think I might find meaningful discussion in a comment section, it reverts back to pointless flaming (slamming not one, but two authors).

How about it, Chris -- what specifically about Kevin&#039;s article is out of touch and why do you think so?  What facts support your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tell &#8216;im Chris.  Just when I think I might find meaningful discussion in a comment section, it reverts back to pointless flaming (slamming not one, but two authors).</p>
<p>How about it, Chris &#8212; what specifically about Kevin&#8217;s article is out of touch and why do you think so?  What facts support your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: chris sprehe</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris sprehe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KEVIN:  I used to admire your writing, but you have become so far out the mainstream workforce mindset of the typical-hands-dirty, get the job employment scene, that you are no longer relevant. Sullivant has been irrelevant for his whole life, and has never had a real job dispite his academic credentials, and ERE is doing itself a dis-service to it&#039;s membership, to continue to &quot;worship&quot; you bloviating clowns.

 I&#039;m a classic baby-boomer, potential retiree--should I plan on working until I&#039;m 75-85, according to the projections in your latest article?  Did you pass basic gradeschool math?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KEVIN:  I used to admire your writing, but you have become so far out the mainstream workforce mindset of the typical-hands-dirty, get the job employment scene, that you are no longer relevant. Sullivant has been irrelevant for his whole life, and has never had a real job dispite his academic credentials, and ERE is doing itself a dis-service to it&#8217;s membership, to continue to &#8220;worship&#8221; you bloviating clowns.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m a classic baby-boomer, potential retiree&#8211;should I plan on working until I&#8217;m 75-85, according to the projections in your latest article?  Did you pass basic gradeschool math?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo Kevin! BINGO!

Finally someone is putting it out there with facts and a little opinion.

You said:
&quot;I am a believer that when the time is right, the solution appears. If organizations were really feeling the pain of shortages, they would have started training programs, raised wages, and lobbied educational institutions to change curricula. None of those things have happened on a wide scale.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more on this. 

However....

The shortage of jobs will create a change in students choices for degrees. This in turn could create a good thing. Less folks trained in an area - say IT, could spawn more need for folks that know IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo Kevin! BINGO!</p>
<p>Finally someone is putting it out there with facts and a little opinion.</p>
<p>You said:<br />
&#8220;I am a believer that when the time is right, the solution appears. If organizations were really feeling the pain of shortages, they would have started training programs, raised wages, and lobbied educational institutions to change curricula. None of those things have happened on a wide scale.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more on this. </p>
<p>However&#8230;.</p>
<p>The shortage of jobs will create a change in students choices for degrees. This in turn could create a good thing. Less folks trained in an area &#8211; say IT, could spawn more need for folks that know IT.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article doesn&#039;t address the shortage of engineers available to aerospace and defense work. Here the shortage is real. The cleared space will feel the talent/skills shortage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article doesn&#8217;t address the shortage of engineers available to aerospace and defense work. Here the shortage is real. The cleared space will feel the talent/skills shortage!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Vaughn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Comments.  In recessions or econ downturns, there are more people seeking employment because of layoffs. That doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t a talent shortage. In recessions people are very hesitant to change, move or take perceived risks in employment. You don&#039;t refer to any stats - however, it is the stats that are behind the shortage. Simply, there are not enough Gen XYZ to replace the # retiring.  Additionally, there are fewer Gen XYZ entering fields of innovation.  Don&#039;t forget that early entry talent is getting priced out of big cities due to cost of living and besides Gen XYZ is looking for higher quality of life.  Take a good look at the numbers - you may not be feeling the freeze yet, but it is clearly on the radar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Comments.  In recessions or econ downturns, there are more people seeking employment because of layoffs. That doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t a talent shortage. In recessions people are very hesitant to change, move or take perceived risks in employment. You don&#8217;t refer to any stats &#8211; however, it is the stats that are behind the shortage. Simply, there are not enough Gen XYZ to replace the # retiring.  Additionally, there are fewer Gen XYZ entering fields of innovation.  Don&#8217;t forget that early entry talent is getting priced out of big cities due to cost of living and besides Gen XYZ is looking for higher quality of life.  Take a good look at the numbers &#8211; you may not be feeling the freeze yet, but it is clearly on the radar!</p>
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		<title>By: George Lenard</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Lenard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, obvious or not.

I do wonder a bit about the urban/rural issue.  I can&#039;t cite statistics, but it seems like I&#039;ve heard some of the fastest growing and most popular areas are smaller cities that didn&#039;t even used to really qualify to be called cities.  Prime examples being some college towns, like Austin, TX; Chapel Hill, NC; or my home town of Bloomington, IN.

These new cities offer attractive lifestyles for professionals and serve large rural populations.

Much of the allure of the biggest cities is what I call the &quot;Chinese menu&quot; illusion.  A Chinese restaurant with 150 items on the menu may seem better than one with 15, though the 15 are the only ones most non-Asians will eat. 

So a city with 10,000 restaurants, bars, etc. seems better than one with 1,000, though nobody eats at 10,000 restaurants or drinks at 10,000 bars (right?). 

Some people like to be assured they have overwhelming numbers of choices rather than be assured the quality of the choices is good, if the quantity is less.

In recruiting for these less popular areas, it would seem important to learn as much as possible about the benefits of living there and be able to sell it effectively.  

Find out what people value most in big-city amenities and be able to pitch the local equivalents.  E.g., &quot;so the opera&#039;s not the Met; there is a local opera theater company with x productions a year, plus y traveling productions.&quot;

George&#039;s Employment Blawg
www.employmentblawg.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, obvious or not.</p>
<p>I do wonder a bit about the urban/rural issue.  I can&#8217;t cite statistics, but it seems like I&#8217;ve heard some of the fastest growing and most popular areas are smaller cities that didn&#8217;t even used to really qualify to be called cities.  Prime examples being some college towns, like Austin, TX; Chapel Hill, NC; or my home town of Bloomington, IN.</p>
<p>These new cities offer attractive lifestyles for professionals and serve large rural populations.</p>
<p>Much of the allure of the biggest cities is what I call the &#8220;Chinese menu&#8221; illusion.  A Chinese restaurant with 150 items on the menu may seem better than one with 15, though the 15 are the only ones most non-Asians will eat. </p>
<p>So a city with 10,000 restaurants, bars, etc. seems better than one with 1,000, though nobody eats at 10,000 restaurants or drinks at 10,000 bars (right?). </p>
<p>Some people like to be assured they have overwhelming numbers of choices rather than be assured the quality of the choices is good, if the quantity is less.</p>
<p>In recruiting for these less popular areas, it would seem important to learn as much as possible about the benefits of living there and be able to sell it effectively.  </p>
<p>Find out what people value most in big-city amenities and be able to pitch the local equivalents.  E.g., &#8220;so the opera&#8217;s not the Met; there is a local opera theater company with x productions a year, plus y traveling productions.&#8221;</p>
<p>George&#8217;s Employment Blawg<br />
<a href="http://www.employmentblawg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.employmentblawg.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Caulfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Normally I enjoy and get a lot of value out of your writing.  This one frustrates me because - even if your last sentence clears up the mess - it propogates an unbelievably common abuse of the English language.

Grrr..... Again, the confusion of Talent with Skills.  

According to Princeton:

Talent = a person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity 

Skill = ability to produce solutions in some problem domain

We have always had a Talent shortage because &quot;people who possess unusual innate ability&quot; are by definition rare.  Once they are not rare, it is no longer Talent....

Skills shortages come and ago.  We all know that technology marches relentlessly forward and the highly sought Cobol programmer of 1980 has little employ today.  Your article goes to great length to state the obvious.

Best Regards,

Edward Caulfield</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Normally I enjoy and get a lot of value out of your writing.  This one frustrates me because &#8211; even if your last sentence clears up the mess &#8211; it propogates an unbelievably common abuse of the English language.</p>
<p>Grrr&#8230;.. Again, the confusion of Talent with Skills.  </p>
<p>According to Princeton:</p>
<p>Talent = a person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity </p>
<p>Skill = ability to produce solutions in some problem domain</p>
<p>We have always had a Talent shortage because &#8220;people who possess unusual innate ability&#8221; are by definition rare.  Once they are not rare, it is no longer Talent&#8230;.</p>
<p>Skills shortages come and ago.  We all know that technology marches relentlessly forward and the highly sought Cobol programmer of 1980 has little employ today.  Your article goes to great length to state the obvious.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Edward Caulfield</p>
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		<title>By: eric shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe we should call it an education shortage...</description>
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