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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: How To Hire True Diversity and Get Beyond Hiring Only Local Candidates : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-8414</link>
		<dc:creator>How To Hire True Diversity and Get Beyond Hiring Only Local Candidates : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] move on Uncle Sam&#8217;s dime. She also encourages people to look at the skills and competencies fully, not just their job titles and/or organization. These aren&#8217;t just infantry folks &#8212; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] move on Uncle Sam&#8217;s dime. She also encourages people to look at the skills and competencies fully, not just their job titles and/or organization. These aren&#8217;t just infantry folks &#8212; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Diamonds Are Often Rough : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-7822</link>
		<dc:creator>Diamonds Are Often Rough : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] approach should be taken when reaching out to veteran and former military candidates. We touched on skills translation briefly in this article. The ownership for understanding how to translate skills falls on both the recruiter and the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] approach should be taken when reaching out to veteran and former military candidates. We touched on skills translation briefly in this article. The ownership for understanding how to translate skills falls on both the recruiter and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Disabled Getting a Raw Deal, Asst. Labor Secy Says : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-6291</link>
		<dc:creator>Disabled Getting a Raw Deal, Asst. Labor Secy Says : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it&#8217;s often hard to translate military skills &#8212; for those you who do not offer positions driving tanks &#8212; Jones says he&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s often hard to translate military skills &#8212; for those you who do not offer positions driving tanks &#8212; Jones says he&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Navy Eyes Recruiting Efficiencies : ERE.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-5491</link>
		<dc:creator>Navy Eyes Recruiting Efficiencies : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in this program,&#8221; says Dana. &#8220;Officers are educated and they have the leadership skills and training private businesses are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in this program,&#8221; says Dana. &#8220;Officers are educated and they have the leadership skills and training private businesses are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3709</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we should hold those who are civilian business professional accountable for having good resumes. They know what their skills are and they know what they have accomplished; so it is entirely up to them to do some research and dedicate some time to making sure that their resume is an accurate representation of their skill sets, eye for detail and communication skills. Whereas those who are transitioning out of the military simply don't have enough business etiquette(which can only be acquired through experience)to know what employers are looking for or even what skills to put on their resume that will be beneficial to them. I was at one point a transitioning combat veteran and if you see my resume now to what it was than, you wouldn't even think it was the same person. Now that I know what employers are looking for and what expectations they have  of a candidate there is no reason why I cannot take the time to vigorously revise my resume over and over until it is as close to perfect as possible. 
The difference between a civilian resume and a military resume is EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE. So, please do give the military service members the benefit of the doubt and I will guarantee that they will not dissapoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we should hold those who are civilian business professional accountable for having good resumes. They know what their skills are and they know what they have accomplished; so it is entirely up to them to do some research and dedicate some time to making sure that their resume is an accurate representation of their skill sets, eye for detail and communication skills. Whereas those who are transitioning out of the military simply don&#8217;t have enough business etiquette(which can only be acquired through experience)to know what employers are looking for or even what skills to put on their resume that will be beneficial to them. I was at one point a transitioning combat veteran and if you see my resume now to what it was than, you wouldn&#8217;t even think it was the same person. Now that I know what employers are looking for and what expectations they have  of a candidate there is no reason why I cannot take the time to vigorously revise my resume over and over until it is as close to perfect as possible.<br />
The difference between a civilian resume and a military resume is EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE. So, please do give the military service members the benefit of the doubt and I will guarantee that they will not dissapoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Samson Blackwell</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3710</link>
		<dc:creator>Samson Blackwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to belabor the point, Carlos, but if we give military personnel a break for being stuck in their MOS, wouldn't it make sense to give a steelworker a break if he's trying to 'translate' his experience into another profession? Isn't it discriminatory to give preference to one 'type' of person over another?

You expose a contradiction when you indicate that civilians should be accountable for doing research and ensuring that their resumes demonstrate their qualities while military personnel for some reason should not. Are military personnel not to be held accountable for doing research and demonstrating their skills and abilities? They have access to the same resources as civilians. 

I'm not advocating against giving military personnel a break. However,  I do think we have to be very careful that we apply such breaks fairly and evenly across a spectrum of professions, not just the military. Others deserve the same consideration. 

Which returns me to my problem: how DO we determine who gets the breaks, and how do we avoid pure subjectivity in our appraisals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to belabor the point, Carlos, but if we give military personnel a break for being stuck in their MOS, wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to give a steelworker a break if he&#8217;s trying to &#8216;translate&#8217; his experience into another profession? Isn&#8217;t it discriminatory to give preference to one &#8216;type&#8217; of person over another?</p>
<p>You expose a contradiction when you indicate that civilians should be accountable for doing research and ensuring that their resumes demonstrate their qualities while military personnel for some reason should not. Are military personnel not to be held accountable for doing research and demonstrating their skills and abilities? They have access to the same resources as civilians. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating against giving military personnel a break. However,  I do think we have to be very careful that we apply such breaks fairly and evenly across a spectrum of professions, not just the military. Others deserve the same consideration. </p>
<p>Which returns me to my problem: how DO we determine who gets the breaks, and how do we avoid pure subjectivity in our appraisals?</p>
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		<title>By: Samson Blackwell</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3707</link>
		<dc:creator>Samson Blackwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with nearly everything you say. My one question is this: if we understand that we must 'translate' the resumes of military personnel, and therefore that their resumes don't necessarily sell their strengths, why don't we approach other resumes in the same way?

I have quite a few friends who are excellent employees, and who have sub-par resume skills. Should we hold them accountable for learning how to create a great resume, or should we give them the benefit of the doubt and set up a phone screen?

This points up the larger issue of resumes in general: are the REALLY an accurate indicator of someone's employability? How much 'translation' do we need to do to find the 'true' person? And, as anyone who has actually done textual translation will bring up, another major problem arises: how much of ourselves do we interpret into the text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with nearly everything you say. My one question is this: if we understand that we must &#8216;translate&#8217; the resumes of military personnel, and therefore that their resumes don&#8217;t necessarily sell their strengths, why don&#8217;t we approach other resumes in the same way?</p>
<p>I have quite a few friends who are excellent employees, and who have sub-par resume skills. Should we hold them accountable for learning how to create a great resume, or should we give them the benefit of the doubt and set up a phone screen?</p>
<p>This points up the larger issue of resumes in general: are the REALLY an accurate indicator of someone&#8217;s employability? How much &#8216;translation&#8217; do we need to do to find the &#8216;true&#8217; person? And, as anyone who has actually done textual translation will bring up, another major problem arises: how much of ourselves do we interpret into the text?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela,

Great article. As a former Naval Officer (10 years) and now a full time staffing professional (3 years) I appreciate and support your comments. During their transition period, many military personnel struggle with their ability to translate their own skill set to a corporate equivalent. In addition, they face huge challenges making the cultural shift from a strictly autocratic structure to one that provides less direction and more flexibility.

Once an ex soldier, sailor or airman has crossed the bridge successfully, they can be a great asset to any team providing demonstrated leadership and management experience and being very decisive with regard to making key decisions in high pressure situations (as you stated in your piece). The tough thing is for them to 'release' themselves from the military state of mind and embrace their new found 'freedom' in the corporate world. Once this is achieved, and employers truly understand their potential, they can add great value to any organization.

Obviously, I recognize that I coming from a position of bias!

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela,</p>
<p>Great article. As a former Naval Officer (10 years) and now a full time staffing professional (3 years) I appreciate and support your comments. During their transition period, many military personnel struggle with their ability to translate their own skill set to a corporate equivalent. In addition, they face huge challenges making the cultural shift from a strictly autocratic structure to one that provides less direction and more flexibility.</p>
<p>Once an ex soldier, sailor or airman has crossed the bridge successfully, they can be a great asset to any team providing demonstrated leadership and management experience and being very decisive with regard to making key decisions in high pressure situations (as you stated in your piece). The tough thing is for them to &#8216;release&#8217; themselves from the military state of mind and embrace their new found &#8216;freedom&#8217; in the corporate world. Once this is achieved, and employers truly understand their potential, they can add great value to any organization.</p>
<p>Obviously, I recognize that I coming from a position of bias!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Delaney</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3705</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough cannot be said about this subject.

US Business is figuratively 'shooting ourselvs in the foot' for not taking advantage of the training and leadership these young people have received.

For practical and pragmatic reasons alone we should be fighting over this wellspring of talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough cannot be said about this subject.</p>
<p>US Business is figuratively &#8217;shooting ourselvs in the foot&#8217; for not taking advantage of the training and leadership these young people have received.</p>
<p>For practical and pragmatic reasons alone we should be fighting over this wellspring of talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany Salter</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3704</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethany Salter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to share a web site that you may or may not be familiar with that can be a good resource for these folks.  It is www.hireheroesusa.org.  This site contains career opportunities nationwide for returning service men and women.  Thanks for your article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to share a web site that you may or may not be familiar with that can be a good resource for these folks.  It is <a href="http://www.hireheroesusa.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hireheroesusa.org</a>.  This site contains career opportunities nationwide for returning service men and women.  Thanks for your article!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Letourneau</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/04/30/getting-good-at-military-skills-translation/#comment-3703</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Letourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's good to see that ERE is pursuing more military-related articles as a result of many of the discussions initiated here regarding our returning veterans.  I started quite a few in the past to raise the profile of this societal issue and continue to do so in other places on the web as well.

Let me know if you need some intel from actual disabled-vets (and regular vets) about how they are being handled upon returning home.  It's nice that we're initiating conversation from our side of the fence, but it would also benefit for us to hear from them as well.

This way, the conversation isn't just one-sided as our vets have a great deal to teach us as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see that ERE is pursuing more military-related articles as a result of many of the discussions initiated here regarding our returning veterans.  I started quite a few in the past to raise the profile of this societal issue and continue to do so in other places on the web as well.</p>
<p>Let me know if you need some intel from actual disabled-vets (and regular vets) about how they are being handled upon returning home.  It&#8217;s nice that we&#8217;re initiating conversation from our side of the fence, but it would also benefit for us to hear from them as well.</p>
<p>This way, the conversation isn&#8217;t just one-sided as our vets have a great deal to teach us as well.</p>
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