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		<title>By: Dale Paulson, Ph.D</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/02/28/why-do-we-love-hiring-shenanigans/comment-page-1/#comment-5024</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Paulson, Ph.D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your article a lot. It makes some very good points. I am reminded of a story of how one recruiter would take a candidate to a exclusive restaurant and then promise the waiter a large tip if he would &#039;accidently&#039; spill water on the candidate. The reactions were quite varied. It was assumed that this would indicate how the candidate would treat subordinates in times of stress. The idea has, what may be termed, face validity or &#039;looks good on the  surface.&#039; After reading your article, now I&#039;m not so sure.

Dale Paulson, Ph.D.
www.workplaceattitudes.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your article a lot. It makes some very good points. I am reminded of a story of how one recruiter would take a candidate to a exclusive restaurant and then promise the waiter a large tip if he would &#8216;accidently&#8217; spill water on the candidate. The reactions were quite varied. It was assumed that this would indicate how the candidate would treat subordinates in times of stress. The idea has, what may be termed, face validity or &#8216;looks good on the  surface.&#8217; After reading your article, now I&#8217;m not so sure.</p>
<p>Dale Paulson, Ph.D.<br />
<a href="http://www.workplaceattitudes.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.workplaceattitudes.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Deighton</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2008/02/28/why-do-we-love-hiring-shenanigans/comment-page-1/#comment-5018</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Deighton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin -

You make excellent points and I couldn&#039;t help thinking about how the process of practicing elitist hiring methods mirrored almost every dictatorship throughout history.   I absolutely agree that the companies that will grow will be made up of a diverse group of individuals who bring a myriad of ideas to the table.

Thanks for a well written article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin -</p>
<p>You make excellent points and I couldn&#8217;t help thinking about how the process of practicing elitist hiring methods mirrored almost every dictatorship throughout history.   I absolutely agree that the companies that will grow will be made up of a diverse group of individuals who bring a myriad of ideas to the table.</p>
<p>Thanks for a well written article!</p>
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		<title>By: W. Ridgely Haines</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Ridgely Haines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great article with many salient points.

You may be interested in some related research. A 20 year study of 360,000 individuals across many different industries and occupations reported some interesting findings (Herbert M. Greenberg and Jeanne Greenberg, ?Job Matching for Better Sales Performance,? Harvard Business Review, Vol. 58, No. 5.)
The researchers found that success on the job is not related to prior work experience, education, technical  skill or other commonly accepted criteria. What they did find was that success on the job hinges on fit with ?intangible qualities? such as thinking and communication skills, occupational interests and personality. Differences in success rates were even more dramatic when comparisons were made between low and high turnover industries.

As mentioned in the article, matching candidate competencies (including intangible qualities) to the requirements of the job can be achieved through objective tests and behavioral interviews. The Department of Labor has produced a useful guide to selecting and using tests and assessments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great article with many salient points.</p>
<p>You may be interested in some related research. A 20 year study of 360,000 individuals across many different industries and occupations reported some interesting findings (Herbert M. Greenberg and Jeanne Greenberg, ?Job Matching for Better Sales Performance,? Harvard Business Review, Vol. 58, No. 5.)<br />
The researchers found that success on the job is not related to prior work experience, education, technical  skill or other commonly accepted criteria. What they did find was that success on the job hinges on fit with ?intangible qualities? such as thinking and communication skills, occupational interests and personality. Differences in success rates were even more dramatic when comparisons were made between low and high turnover industries.</p>
<p>As mentioned in the article, matching candidate competencies (including intangible qualities) to the requirements of the job can be achieved through objective tests and behavioral interviews. The Department of Labor has produced a useful guide to selecting and using tests and assessments.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gately</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Gately</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;?by subjecting a candidate to a stressful or unexpected environment, a recruiter or hiring manager can determine the creativity or adaptability of a candidate? attendance at a particular school or the achievement of a high grade point average means that the candidate is smarter or more creative.&lt;

Yes, and neither approach is a good predictor of job success but we should not be too hard on the managers who use these approaches. How did the managers get to the point of using such methods? Where are the internal experts and what are they doing about it? 

Income protection may be the problem--few of us want to risk our jobs to prevent our employers from making an obvious mistake. Going along to get along is a much safer practice for most employees. Employees who speak out are often labeled &#039;not good team players? which is the kiss of death in many organizations. 

Since 1992 countless hiring managers have told me that hiring successful employees is at best a random event--it can&#039;t be done on purpose. They say ?we hire and fire until we find a good employee?.  Sometimes they will try something new but all too often they reject anything new. 

Hiring managers often believe that their turnover rate is good because their industry&#039;s average is 1 or more percentage points higher. Hiring for talent can cut the turnover rate in half within a year and half yet managers prefer to suffer with high turnover. If CEOs knew the total cost, including lower morale and productivity, of high turnover, perhaps they would direct their hiring managers to try something new.

&gt;In the end, good selection is based on matching candidates&#039; competencies and skills to the particular set of activities an organization needs to have completed or outcomes that need to be achieved.&lt;

What about talent? Our clients were and are very good at matching candidates&#039; competencies and skills to the job but they were ineffective at identifying which qualified to be hired job applicants also had the talent for job success. Once they learned to measure talent their hiring success increased. 

&gt;These competencies can be identified with a variety of objective tests and properly constructed behavioral interviews.&lt;

Talent is assessed in about an hour of the applicant&#039;s time.

&gt;Whether someone can answer the manhole question, has a 4.0 GPA, or has gone to Harvard makes no difference at all to potential performance.&lt;

I agree but who gets in trouble for hiring a 4.0 GPA candidate or a graduate of a top school? Without new tools managers will continue to hire the old way and will continue to suffer from the same turnover rate and poor job performance of too many new hires.

FYI  Manhole covers are round so they can&#039;t fall into the manhole while being removed or replaced. Manhole covers weigh 100+ pounds so we don&#039;t want to have to lift them from the bottom of a manhole especially the really deep ones. 

gately@csi.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>?by subjecting a candidate to a stressful or unexpected environment, a recruiter or hiring manager can determine the creativity or adaptability of a candidate? attendance at a particular school or the achievement of a high grade point average means that the candidate is smarter or more creative.< Yes, and neither approach is a good predictor of job success but we should not be too hard on the managers who use these approaches. How did the managers get to the point of using such methods? Where are the internal experts and what are they doing about it? </p>
<p>Income protection may be the problem--few of us want to risk our jobs to prevent our employers from making an obvious mistake. Going along to get along is a much safer practice for most employees. Employees who speak out are often labeled 'not good team players? which is the kiss of death in many organizations. </p>
<p>Since 1992 countless hiring managers have told me that hiring successful employees is at best a random event--it can't be done on purpose. They say ?we hire and fire until we find a good employee?.  Sometimes they will try something new but all too often they reject anything new. </p>
<p>Hiring managers often believe that their turnover rate is good because their industry's average is 1 or more percentage points higher. Hiring for talent can cut the turnover rate in half within a year and half yet managers prefer to suffer with high turnover. If CEOs knew the total cost, including lower morale and productivity, of high turnover, perhaps they would direct their hiring managers to try something new.</p>
<p>>In the end, good selection is based on matching candidates&#8217; competencies and skills to the particular set of activities an organization needs to have completed or outcomes that need to be achieved.< What about talent? Our clients were and are very good at matching candidates' competencies and skills to the job but they were ineffective at identifying which qualified to be hired job applicants also had the talent for job success. Once they learned to measure talent their hiring success increased. </p>
<p>>These competencies can be identified with a variety of objective tests and properly constructed behavioral interviews.< Talent is assessed in about an hour of the applicant's time.</p>
<p>>Whether someone can answer the manhole question, has a 4.0 GPA, or has gone to Harvard makes no difference at all to potential performance.< I agree but who gets in trouble for hiring a 4.0 GPA candidate or a graduate of a top school? Without new tools managers will continue to hire the old way and will continue to suffer from the same turnover rate and poor job performance of too many new hires.</p>
<p>FYI  Manhole covers are round so they can't fall into the manhole while being removed or replaced. Manhole covers weigh 100+ pounds so we don't want to have to lift them from the bottom of a manhole especially the really deep ones. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:gately@csi.com">gately@csi.com</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points Kevin.  Let&#039;s stop all this game-playing and trying to figure out new shenanigans to hire people.  I applaud your encouragement to just get to work, define the skills needed to do the job and then probe people&#039;s skills and experience to determine if the person is a match.  I&#039;m not saying you can&#039;t have a little fun in the process, but it&#039;s called work and finding the best talent is a job.  Thanks for injecting your usual clarity.
Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points Kevin.  Let&#8217;s stop all this game-playing and trying to figure out new shenanigans to hire people.  I applaud your encouragement to just get to work, define the skills needed to do the job and then probe people&#8217;s skills and experience to determine if the person is a match.  I&#8217;m not saying you can&#8217;t have a little fun in the process, but it&#8217;s called work and finding the best talent is a job.  Thanks for injecting your usual clarity.<br />
Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Clennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Clennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one, Kevin. It&#039;s hard to believe that some organizations still persist with the type of nonsense described in the article. It&#039;s more akin to superstition that anything to do with predicting on-the-job performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, Kevin. It&#8217;s hard to believe that some organizations still persist with the type of nonsense described in the article. It&#8217;s more akin to superstition that anything to do with predicting on-the-job performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Danbom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Danbom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takes me way back to college. Hazing. Hell week.  Greek initiation. I guess we haven&#039;t evolved so far after all?

You make some great points, Kevin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Takes me way back to college. Hazing. Hell week.  Greek initiation. I guess we haven&#8217;t evolved so far after all?</p>
<p>You make some great points, Kevin.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Clements</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl Clements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin -

Thanks for pointing the light back on some of the inane hiring practices.  I only wish people involved with selection and hiring were as creative about managing and developing people&#039;s talents.

What predicts performance best - a history of performance and understanding one&#039;s development and impact in her/his accomplishments.  So when someone is sharing that history, it&#039;s most appropriate with direct hiring managers and a small number of knowledge-specific interviewers.  Any hiring process that forces a candidate to discuss her/his experience to the point where no new information is revealed is inefficient and/or ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin -</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing the light back on some of the inane hiring practices.  I only wish people involved with selection and hiring were as creative about managing and developing people&#8217;s talents.</p>
<p>What predicts performance best &#8211; a history of performance and understanding one&#8217;s development and impact in her/his accomplishments.  So when someone is sharing that history, it&#8217;s most appropriate with direct hiring managers and a small number of knowledge-specific interviewers.  Any hiring process that forces a candidate to discuss her/his experience to the point where no new information is revealed is inefficient and/or ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best research evidence on the relationship between GPA and job performance is probably Roth et al.&#039;s 1996 piece in the Journal of Applied Psychology: http://content.apa.org/journals/apl/81/5/548

Also see Dr. Aamodt&#039;s piece in ACN:
http://www.ipmaac.org/acn/aug98/techaff.html

In brief, GPA can predict performance, but it&#039;s a very blunt instrument compared to what else is out there and depends on the type of degree and type of job.  But consider other factors such as the adverse impact that may happen in large applicant pools, and the impact this practice has on your organization&#039;s reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best research evidence on the relationship between GPA and job performance is probably Roth et al.&#8217;s 1996 piece in the Journal of Applied Psychology: <a href="http://content.apa.org/journals/apl/81/5/548" rel="nofollow">http://content.apa.org/journals/apl/81/5/548</a></p>
<p>Also see Dr. Aamodt&#8217;s piece in ACN:<br />
<a href="http://www.ipmaac.org/acn/aug98/techaff.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipmaac.org/acn/aug98/techaff.html</a></p>
<p>In brief, GPA can predict performance, but it&#8217;s a very blunt instrument compared to what else is out there and depends on the type of degree and type of job.  But consider other factors such as the adverse impact that may happen in large applicant pools, and the impact this practice has on your organization&#8217;s reputation.</p>
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