Comments on: History of Recruiting: Part I http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/ Recruiting intelligence. Recruiting community. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:18:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: PJ Falcon http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3409 PJ Falcon Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:37:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3409 Excellent read - very educational and enjoyable. Thank you! PJ Excellent read – very educational and enjoyable. Thank you!

PJ

]]> By: Louis Kadetsky http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3405 Louis Kadetsky Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:17:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3405 To net it out, the more things change - the more they stay the same. To net it out, the more things change – the more they stay the same.

]]> By: Patrick Foss http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3404 Patrick Foss Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:37:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3404 My nomination for 'Article of the Year.' My nomination for ‘Article of the Year.’

]]> By: Barry Hinds http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3401 Barry Hinds Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:03:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3401 A 'great read' with thought provoking information. I always knew that the national flag of France should be the white flag of surrender! Looking forward to the next article where France has to out source their freedom to the American GI! A ‘great read’ with thought provoking information. I always knew that the national flag of France should be the white flag of surrender! Looking forward to the next article where France has to out source their freedom to the American GI!

]]> By: Rachel Schneider http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3399 Rachel Schneider Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:14:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3399 I second Gerry, loved the historical perspective - fascinating. More of this please. Rachel I second Gerry, loved the historical perspective – fascinating. More of this please.

Rachel

]]> By: David Blender http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3398 David Blender Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:55:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3398 Very good article! AND....so very true in our area of recruitment; Healthcare. So many jobs, so few candidates! It is truly a candidate's market...and will be for years to come. Not much has changed in 2,000 years! Thank you for sharing your perspective. Best, David Very good article!

AND….so very true in our area of recruitment; Healthcare. So many jobs, so few candidates! It is truly a candidate’s market…and will be for years to come.

Not much has changed in 2,000 years!

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

Best,
David

]]> By: Francine Figliolo http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3397 Francine Figliolo Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:54:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3397 I found this article to be a refreshing and amusing approach to the subject of talent acquisition, however, I was surprised, insulted, and diminished by this comment: 'Following some major defeats to the Gauls (the only known record of the French winning a war unaided, and then they were fighting Italians). . . ' As a recruiter, the author should be aware that comments such as this one are unacceptable. The profession of HR is dedicated to fairness and equity in the workplace. Bias and racism should not enter into the recruiting and hiring decision making process, indeed, it is illegal. Mr. Singh loses all credibility for this statement, despite the value of the rest of the article. I will not be recommending this article to my clients. I found this article to be a refreshing and amusing approach to the subject of talent acquisition, however, I was surprised, insulted, and diminished by this comment:

‘Following some major defeats to the Gauls (the only known record of the French winning a war unaided, and then they were fighting Italians). . . ‘

As a recruiter, the author should be aware that comments such as this one are unacceptable. The profession of HR is dedicated to fairness and equity in the workplace. Bias and racism should not enter into the recruiting and hiring decision making process, indeed, it is illegal.

Mr. Singh loses all credibility for this statement, despite the value of the rest of the article. I will not be recommending this article to my clients.

]]> By: Daniel Parrillo http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3402 Daniel Parrillo Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:16:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3402 Really appreciated your article... Have often said that 'Recruiting was the 2nd Oldest Profession' (presume you've heard which one was first !) Such words like contractor, temp and freelancer have been used in the past to describe augmented personnel and additions. Realistically, such words like strategic insourcing contributors, partners and stakeholders now come to mind. Do you know that subcontracting significant additional help dates back to the Middle Ages ?? 'In the middle ages, the term freelancer was used to describe mercenary knights. A free lancer was an available soldier (with a lance - of course) who was for hire and would defend a lord for a price.' The freelancer had a significant stakeholder and a vested interest in making sure strategies were implemented successfully. Resource: M. McGovern & D. Russell. 'A New Brand of Expertise - How Independent Consultants, Free Agents and Interim Managers Are Transforming The World of Work.' Copyright 2001 Really appreciated your article…

Have often said that ‘Recruiting was the 2nd Oldest Profession’ (presume you’ve heard which one was first !)

Such words like contractor, temp and freelancer have been used in the past to describe augmented personnel and additions. Realistically, such words like strategic insourcing contributors, partners and stakeholders now come to mind. Do you know that subcontracting significant additional help dates back to the Middle Ages ??

‘In the middle ages, the term freelancer was used to describe mercenary knights. A free lancer was an available soldier (with a lance – of course) who was for hire and would defend a lord for a price.’ The freelancer had a significant stakeholder and a vested interest in making sure strategies were implemented successfully.

Resource:

M. McGovern & D. Russell. ‘A New Brand of Expertise – How Independent Consultants, Free Agents and Interim Managers Are Transforming The World of Work.’ Copyright 2001

]]> By: Mike Gowan http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3396 Mike Gowan Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:57:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3396 Raghav, there was much to learn from your article and the Romans.. such as referal programs work... and to keep from being over whelmed with a req...break it down into parts, much like Caeser did with Gaul. Remember Latin class.. 'Gallia es divisa in tres partes.' Looking forward, Raghav to Part II Raghav, there was much to learn from your article and the Romans.. such as referal programs work… and to keep from being over whelmed with a req…break it down into parts, much like Caeser did with Gaul. Remember Latin class.. ‘Gallia es divisa in tres partes.’

Looking forward, Raghav to Part II

]]> By: Gerry Crispin http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3395 Gerry Crispin Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:14:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3395 A fabulous read. Thanks A fabulous read. Thanks

]]> By: Steve Myers http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3394 Steve Myers Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:03:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3394 is that the decentralization of recruiting lead directly to the demise of the Republic and the rise of the Empire. Local commanders (hiring managers) used their new authority to build armies loyal to themselves, challenging the authority of the senate (corporate). Also, the utilization of auxilia (outsourcing partners) during the mid-late empire period cheapened the value of Roman citizenship (employee loyalty), which hastened the fall of the Empire. Additionally, the lack of training and standardization that was found among non-Roman units (outsourcers) also blunted the productivity of the better trained and armed imperial legionaries (corporate employees). The Gladius cuts both ways. If we don't enforce quality controls and standard practices on remote offices and hiring managers, we end up with a 'wild west' hiring scenario that leads to inconsistency and a downturn in productivity. Likewise, if we don't ensure that our outsourcing partners are competent and have our best interests in mind, we might as well lend Sisyphus a hand pushing that boulder. (ok ok, enough with the ancient history references. But what do you expect from a Classical Civ major?) Great article, Steve is that the decentralization of recruiting lead directly to the demise of the Republic and the rise of the Empire. Local commanders (hiring managers) used their new authority to build armies loyal to themselves, challenging the authority of the senate (corporate).
Also, the utilization of auxilia (outsourcing partners) during the mid-late empire period cheapened the value of Roman citizenship (employee loyalty), which hastened the fall of the Empire. Additionally, the lack of training and standardization that was found among non-Roman units (outsourcers) also blunted the productivity of the better trained and armed imperial legionaries (corporate employees).
The Gladius cuts both ways. If we don’t enforce quality controls and standard practices on remote offices and hiring managers, we end up with a ‘wild west’ hiring scenario that leads to inconsistency and a downturn in productivity. Likewise, if we don’t ensure that our outsourcing partners are competent and have our best interests in mind, we might as well lend Sisyphus a hand pushing that boulder. (ok ok, enough with the ancient history references. But what do you expect from a Classical Civ major?) Great article,

Steve

]]> By: David Hafernik http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3393 David Hafernik Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:53:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3393 While time has moved on, in many ways the recruiting industry has not. It has always been difficult to find and hire good people, especially ones with cutting edge skills. A great article, I can not wait to read the next installment. David While time has moved on, in many ways the recruiting industry has not. It has always been difficult to find and hire good people, especially ones with cutting edge skills.

A great article, I can not wait to read the next installment.

David

]]> By: Freddy Suhr http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3392 Freddy Suhr Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:49:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3392 Raghav - Great article! I love everything that has to do with Romans back then. I had never given any thought to it. Once again I am impressed by the Roman Empire. 'Experience is the teacher of all things.' Julius Caesar Raghav – Great article! I love everything that has to do with Romans back then. I had never given any thought to it. Once again I am impressed by the Roman Empire.

‘Experience is the teacher of all things.’
Julius Caesar

]]> By: Maureen Sharib http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3389 Maureen Sharib Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:32:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3389 'In the collections of the British Museum, there is a decree signed by Julius Caesar in 55 B.C., promising a reward of 300 sestertii to any soldier who brought another to join the Roman army. This is the first known example of an employee-referral program. And, it's a generous one at that: The amount represented a third of a soldier's annual pay. It reflected how serious the Romans were about finding soldiers. They had the first known recruiters and faced many of the same challenges we have today.' This is a wonderful start to what looks to be a fascinating series - thanks Raghav! ‘In the collections of the British Museum, there is a decree signed by Julius Caesar in 55 B.C., promising a reward of 300 sestertii to any soldier who brought another to join the Roman army. This is the first known example of an employee-referral program. And, it’s a generous one at that: The amount represented a third of a soldier’s annual pay. It reflected how serious the Romans were about finding soldiers. They had the first known recruiters and faced many of the same challenges we have today.’

This is a wonderful start to what looks to be a fascinating series – thanks Raghav!

]]> By: Sagar Nair http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3391 Sagar Nair Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:43:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3391 Good read Raghav! Brings to mind a training session i conducted last year. I started of asking about the genesis of recruitment, and on informing that it all started with the Army and specifically the greek army, i could see the strange look on many faces. Meaning this is not known to many people and someimes we just are not willing to take lessons from the past. Raghav, you should look into other armies too!:-) Good read Raghav! Brings to mind a training session i conducted last year. I started of asking about the genesis of recruitment, and on informing that it all started with the Army and specifically the greek army, i could see the strange look on many faces. Meaning this is not known to many people and someimes we just are not willing to take lessons from the past.
Raghav, you should look into other armies too!:-)

]]> By: Jim Stroud http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-3390 Jim Stroud Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:40:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2008/01/25/history-of-recruiting-part-i/#comment-3390 Thanks for the tip! I just added it to my 'History of Sourcing' Timeline and gave you credit for it. (Smile) Check it out here: http://jimstroud.com/thehistoryofsourcing.html Thanks for the tip! I just added it to my ‘History of Sourcing’ Timeline and gave you credit for it. (Smile)

Check it out here:
http://jimstroud.com/thehistoryofsourcing.html

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