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		<title>By: Saurabh Katiyar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saurabh Katiyar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Career growth is always seen as horizontal and vertical growth, where horizontal growth is seen as package increments etc and vertical as a person reaches up in the ladder of organizational hierarchy.

work satisfaction is a subjective term in any productive activity. involvement,love,concern and passion makes it fulfilled with conviction.

Every organization has challenges . It is a fact that grass is always greener on other sider for a anxious job hopper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Career growth is always seen as horizontal and vertical growth, where horizontal growth is seen as package increments etc and vertical as a person reaches up in the ladder of organizational hierarchy.</p>
<p>work satisfaction is a subjective term in any productive activity. involvement,love,concern and passion makes it fulfilled with conviction.</p>
<p>Every organization has challenges . It is a fact that grass is always greener on other sider for a anxious job hopper.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Halperin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Halperin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, there needs to be a major shift from considering &#039;management as a promotion&#039; to &#039;management as another skill set/talent that a given individual possesses&#039;.

As there are excellent sales/recruiting/engineering/etc. people who are mediocre-to-poor managers, there are also mediocre-to-poor sales/recruiting/engineering/etc. people who would make excellent managers. The most efficient employment practices would allow for the maximimization of each individual&#039;s strenghts and the minimization of their weaknesses in an objective manner without pre-existing biases or prejudices as to what skills or backgrounds  are &#039;good&#039; or &#039;better&#039; than others. (I won&#039;t hold my breath on this happening anytime soon, though.)

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, there needs to be a major shift from considering &#8216;management as a promotion&#8217; to &#8216;management as another skill set/talent that a given individual possesses&#8217;.</p>
<p>As there are excellent sales/recruiting/engineering/etc. people who are mediocre-to-poor managers, there are also mediocre-to-poor sales/recruiting/engineering/etc. people who would make excellent managers. The most efficient employment practices would allow for the maximimization of each individual&#8217;s strenghts and the minimization of their weaknesses in an objective manner without pre-existing biases or prejudices as to what skills or backgrounds  are &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;better&#8217; than others. (I won&#8217;t hold my breath on this happening anytime soon, though.)</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Wendell Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Wendell Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same applies for recruiters as for recruiting managers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same applies for recruiters as for recruiting managers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time and time again, I&#039;ve seen these top producers pushed (or thinking that they need to be promoted) into management jobs.  Companies should create an environment that people can stay at &#039;worker bee&#039; positions and still make good money and be recognized as much as management is recognized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time and time again, I&#8217;ve seen these top producers pushed (or thinking that they need to be promoted) into management jobs.  Companies should create an environment that people can stay at &#8216;worker bee&#8217; positions and still make good money and be recognized as much as management is recognized.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Is this a diatribe about salespeople or what makes a good sales manager or about selling? 

First, in today&#039;s environment the only top dollar salespeople are going to be consultative and caring about clients. Establishing a dialouge and providing for genuine client needs is the hallmark of a good salesperson, particularly in business-to-business sellling. The days of the pushy, sleazebag, slick haired salesperson are waning. 

Second, while it is true that a sales manager is a different animal than a salesguy, that is true across most professions (doer versus manager). A good sales manager has &#039;been there done it&#039; - a coach can only coach when he understands the role. Sales managers are usually required to also maintain client relationships and close deals. 

Third, while ego and recognition may drive a salesguy, they also drive most top executives. What is the difference? Many CEO&#039;s and line execs come from revenue producing positions - you can&#039;t exactly be a humble wallflower in a competitive environment. 

Fourth, arriving at solutions is not easy and requires a lot of legwork - hence marketing, biz dev, sales intelligence. Salespeople usually don&#039;t just show up, there is a support ecosystem surrounding them to ensure success before, during, and after the sale. The term &#039;solution&#039; is STILL not well understood in the technology industry. The fact-finding prospect process usually is NOT done by the salesguy, it may be the &#039;telemarketer&#039; or marketing person who does all of that. 

Fifth, a salesguy is measured by numbers, as is a manager which is what hiring managers will look at. How much revenue did you produce and what is your book of business. 

According to the salespeople I work with, the &#039;sales process&#039; is not easy to define anymore, everyone uses different techniques and methods to get and close business, and things are changing in many industries as to what &#039;sales&#039; is. 

I could go on and on. I would have liked to see this written with &#039;sourcing/research&#039;, &#039;recruiter&#039;, and &#039;hiring manager&#039; instead of sales. Do top dollar recruiters make good Recruiting Managers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Is this a diatribe about salespeople or what makes a good sales manager or about selling? </p>
<p>First, in today&#8217;s environment the only top dollar salespeople are going to be consultative and caring about clients. Establishing a dialouge and providing for genuine client needs is the hallmark of a good salesperson, particularly in business-to-business sellling. The days of the pushy, sleazebag, slick haired salesperson are waning. </p>
<p>Second, while it is true that a sales manager is a different animal than a salesguy, that is true across most professions (doer versus manager). A good sales manager has &#8216;been there done it&#8217; &#8211; a coach can only coach when he understands the role. Sales managers are usually required to also maintain client relationships and close deals. </p>
<p>Third, while ego and recognition may drive a salesguy, they also drive most top executives. What is the difference? Many CEO&#8217;s and line execs come from revenue producing positions &#8211; you can&#8217;t exactly be a humble wallflower in a competitive environment. </p>
<p>Fourth, arriving at solutions is not easy and requires a lot of legwork &#8211; hence marketing, biz dev, sales intelligence. Salespeople usually don&#8217;t just show up, there is a support ecosystem surrounding them to ensure success before, during, and after the sale. The term &#8217;solution&#8217; is STILL not well understood in the technology industry. The fact-finding prospect process usually is NOT done by the salesguy, it may be the &#8216;telemarketer&#8217; or marketing person who does all of that. </p>
<p>Fifth, a salesguy is measured by numbers, as is a manager which is what hiring managers will look at. How much revenue did you produce and what is your book of business. </p>
<p>According to the salespeople I work with, the &#8217;sales process&#8217; is not easy to define anymore, everyone uses different techniques and methods to get and close business, and things are changing in many industries as to what &#8217;sales&#8217; is. </p>
<p>I could go on and on. I would have liked to see this written with &#8217;sourcing/research&#8217;, &#8216;recruiter&#8217;, and &#8216;hiring manager&#8217; instead of sales. Do top dollar recruiters make good Recruiting Managers?</p>
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