Comments on: Apply Your Recruiting Game http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/ Recruiting News, Recruiting Events, Recruiting Community, Social Recruiting Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:04:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Roni Thomas http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2341 Roni Thomas Wed, 24 Jan 2007 06:53:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2341 Todd, As Karen said...this concept is simply awesome. Ronny Todd,

As Karen said…this concept is simply awesome.

Ronny

]]> By: Karen Mattonen C.A.C., C.S.P http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2327 Karen Mattonen C.A.C., C.S.P Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:34:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2327 This actually was a good article Todd.. Yes, it is snowing in California.. but the concept really is very good.. Karen This actually was a good article Todd..

Yes, it is snowing in California.. but the concept really is very good..

Karen

]]> By: Chris Durkee http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2320 Chris Durkee Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:00:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2320 As a relative 'newbie' to recruiting, I appreciate the article and it's message. Sometimes trying to get a job order from a cold call is fairly reminiscent of being an awkward adolescent guy trying to learn how in the world to not feel so clumsy in talking to the girls in my homeroom class! And now, just like then, anything I can read or hear that will help me along and feel more comfortable with what I'm doing is appreciated! As a relative ‘newbie’ to recruiting, I appreciate the article and it’s message. Sometimes trying to get a job order from a cold call is fairly reminiscent of being an awkward adolescent guy trying to learn how in the world to not feel so clumsy in talking to the girls in my homeroom class! And now, just like then, anything I can read or hear that will help me along and feel more comfortable with what I’m doing is appreciated!

]]> By: Todd Rogers http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2316 Todd Rogers Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:00:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2316 Now it is me that is shocked! Such civility! It's about as often as I breathe that people respond with such disdain for the author. Without question, the scales have tipped in my favor on the positive feedback versus the 'not positive.' But these last few thread-responses have, to my pleasure, captured the essence of my attempts at relating interpersonal courtship with recruiting. Thank you all for the continued mature and thoughtful discussion. Now it is me that is shocked! Such civility! It’s about as often as I breathe that people respond with such disdain for the author. Without question, the scales have tipped in my favor on the positive feedback versus the ‘not positive.’ But these last few thread-responses have, to my pleasure, captured the essence of my attempts at relating interpersonal courtship with recruiting.

Thank you all for the continued mature and thoughtful discussion.

]]> By: Shary Kellison http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2295 Shary Kellison Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:53:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2295 Darren, Very well said and totally on point... I took away all of this from the article in question... I'm glad someone spoke up to recognize that a lot of sales positions, recruiting in this instance, has certain techniques that help us to be successful, and those can be translated into a lot of different life scenerios. Thanks, Darren,

Very well said and totally on point… I took away all of this from the article in question… I’m glad someone spoke up to recognize that a lot of sales positions, recruiting in this instance, has certain techniques that help us to be successful, and those can be translated into a lot of different life scenerios.

Thanks,

]]> By: Nicole Riedie http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2292 Nicole Riedie Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:00:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2292 Darren, While I still feel as I originally did about this article, I found your response to be interesting and it did make me think quite a bit. I always appreciate hearing a different perspective than my own and I completely agree that the basic points of the article are valid and could be helpful in the recruiting process. Thanks for your response. Darren,

While I still feel as I originally did about this article, I found your response to be interesting and it did make me think quite a bit. I always appreciate hearing a different perspective than my own and I completely agree that the basic points of the article are valid and could be helpful in the recruiting process. Thanks for your response.

]]> By: Darren Smith http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2289 Darren Smith Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:25:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2289 Nicole, When I read your post, I simply had to respond. I don't want to start a firestorm on a forum that is supposed to be, and continually deviates from, recruiting; I simply feel that my own response to the article is a wonderful juxtaposition to your response. As a woman, and due to your response, I have to assume that you do not understand the discomfort many men go through as they try to learn to relate to women. Every man that talks to a woman has, in one way or another, at some point in his life or currently, had to address his own insecurities in order to make that contact. Though you may not identify with this analogy, I found it very fitting and poignant. Just as it is a part of every man's life to learn to relate to women comfortably, it is a part of every recruiter's career to learn to relate to candidates and clients comfortably. I respect that, as a woman, you do not identify with the message of the article in the way that I do. But, I think if one is willing to look at the point, not the analogy, it is a very fitting message for us as recruiters. Overcome yourself; learn to be comfortable with the task at hand and with some rejection, plan some 'scripts' ahead of time, and see if as you grow more comfortable that success does not come knocking on your door. Nicole,

When I read your post, I simply had to respond. I don’t want to start a firestorm on a forum that is supposed to be, and continually deviates from, recruiting; I simply feel that my own response to the article is a wonderful juxtaposition to your response.

As a woman, and due to your response, I have to assume that you do not understand the discomfort many men go through as they try to learn to relate to women. Every man that talks to a woman has, in one way or another, at some point in his life or currently, had to address his own insecurities in order to make that contact. Though you may not identify with this analogy, I found it very fitting and poignant. Just as it is a part of every man’s life to learn to relate to women comfortably, it is a part of every recruiter’s career to learn to relate to candidates and clients comfortably.

I respect that, as a woman, you do not identify with the message of the article in the way that I do. But, I think if one is willing to look at the point, not the analogy, it is a very fitting message for us as recruiters. Overcome yourself; learn to be comfortable with the task at hand and with some rejection, plan some ‘scripts’ ahead of time, and see if as you grow more comfortable that success does not come knocking on your door.

]]> By: Nicole Riedie http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2280 Nicole Riedie Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:01:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2280 First of all, I want to say that most of the previous ERE articles that I have read have been highly informative and enlightening. I look forward to reading them each week and often learn new and valuable information. I'm a pretty laid-back individual and very rarely am I offended, but this article really bothered me on a few levels. As a woman, it riles me to hear someone paint a positive picture of using a 'game' to scam and then use women. As a Recruiter, it really gets me up in arms to hear someone compare that behavior to my very own profession. I would like to think that, were I a male, I would still be a bit unhappy at the fact that this article also supports a stereotype of males being users and if, they aren't adept at the 'game', well then they're just losers. Look, I'm sure Todd is a talented professional with a lot of valuable knowledge to share. I'm also sure that this is just one article and it's not the end of the world, but I wanted to throw in my two cents and let it be known that I think comparing the profession that I happen to participate in and enjoy a great deal to the objectifying and using of women is not the best choice. First of all, I want to say that most of the previous ERE articles that I have read have been highly informative and enlightening. I look forward to reading them each week and often learn new and valuable information.
I’m a pretty laid-back individual and very rarely am I offended, but this article really bothered me on a few levels. As a woman, it riles me to hear someone paint a positive picture of using a ‘game’ to scam and then use women. As a Recruiter, it really gets me up in arms to hear someone compare that behavior to my very own profession. I would like to think that, were I a male, I would still be a bit unhappy at the fact that this article also supports a stereotype of males being users and if, they aren’t adept at the ‘game’, well then they’re just losers.
Look, I’m sure Todd is a talented professional with a lot of valuable knowledge to share. I’m also sure that this is just one article and it’s not the end of the world, but I wanted to throw in my two cents and let it be known that I think comparing the profession that I happen to participate in and enjoy a great deal to the objectifying and using of women is not the best choice.

]]> By: Aurora Murdock http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2278 Aurora Murdock Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:47:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2278 I enjoy reading different techniques used by recruiters and many are definitely good for a laugh or two. Having been taught by the master years ago -- Tony Burns -- I learned from the beginning to 'stop telling nutty stories.' When I recruit, I cut right to the chase and just say 'I need your help.' Then I tell him or her exactly who I'm looking for and the person is either interested for themselves or will refer me to someone else. The only time this call fails to yield a result is when the individual is in the middle of a project and pushed for time. I will then get his or her email address and immediately send a follow up, to which I always get a response -- 100% of the time. People love to be needed and that alone has given me the privilege of making 80% of my business through referrals. Also, I leave my voicemail messages short and sweet -- I leave my name and number after I say 'I need your help' or 'I could use your help with a project I'm working on', which is of course the job order that I'm recruiting for. Sheer curiosity will get your call returned! Happy hunting! I enjoy reading different techniques used by recruiters and many are definitely good for a laugh or two. Having been taught by the master years ago — Tony Burns — I learned from the beginning to ‘stop telling nutty stories.’ When I recruit, I cut right to the chase and just say ‘I need your help.’ Then I tell him or her exactly who I’m looking for and the person is either interested for themselves or will refer me to someone else. The only time this call fails to yield a result is when the individual is in the middle of a project and pushed for time. I will then get his or her email address and immediately send a follow up, to which I always get a response — 100% of the time. People love to be needed and that alone has given me the privilege of making 80% of my business through referrals. Also, I leave my voicemail messages short and sweet — I leave my name and number after I say ‘I need your help’ or ‘I could use your help with a project I’m working on’, which is of course the job order that I’m recruiting for. Sheer curiosity will get your call returned! Happy hunting!

]]> By: Jill Block http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2286 Jill Block Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:24:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2286 The story at the beginning is something most guys can certainly relate to, making it attention grabbing and that's merely the point of the entire story.. creative! The story at the beginning is something most guys can certainly relate to, making it attention grabbing and that’s merely the point of the entire story..

creative!

]]> By: Melissa Patton http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2272 Melissa Patton Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:15:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2272 I am a corporate recruiter who has a counseling background. Recruiting-actually let's start on a more simple platform-communicating with someone is so much about the listening piece. Being prepared to have the conversation is a huge part of the battle. I appreciated the author's comments about preparing yourself for the conversation. People naturally want to be heard, and once you get them talking you've got them. Communication is an art-as is recruiting. Understanding the psyche of the individual can help tremendously. Good stuff! I am a corporate recruiter who has a counseling background. Recruiting-actually let’s start on a more simple platform-communicating with someone is so much about the listening piece. Being prepared to have the conversation is a huge part of the battle. I appreciated the author’s comments about preparing yourself for the conversation.

People naturally want to be heard, and once you get them talking you’ve got them. Communication is an art-as is recruiting. Understanding the psyche of the individual can help tremendously. Good stuff!

]]> By: Todd Rogers http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2271 Todd Rogers Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:38:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2271 In the last hour, three people have e-mailed me politely asking for me to share some of my material - openers, stories, transitional statement, etc... I'm sorry to say it but two things stop me from doing this. First, it's unlikely to pose a serious threat, but I don't want to feed my competition AND I want to sound original. Second, and more importantly, you folks need to come up with your own material - it's got to be yours or when you deliver it, you'll not be as effective. Analyze what you're saying now. Record yourself role-playing. You'll feel a little funny at first, I assure you. Fix what you're saying. Then, when you get on the phone, you'll be so confident that you'll be ready for anything. Thanks for reading and writing! Have a good weekend. -tr In the last hour, three people have e-mailed me politely asking for me to share some of my material – openers, stories, transitional statement, etc…

I’m sorry to say it but two things stop me from doing this. First, it’s unlikely to pose a serious threat, but I don’t want to feed my competition AND I want to sound original. Second, and more importantly, you folks need to come up with your own material – it’s got to be yours or when you deliver it, you’ll not be as effective. Analyze what you’re saying now. Record yourself role-playing. You’ll feel a little funny at first, I assure you. Fix what you’re saying. Then, when you get on the phone, you’ll be so confident that you’ll be ready for anything.

Thanks for reading and writing!

Have a good weekend.
-tr

]]> By: Christy Hillman http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2270 Christy Hillman Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:40:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2270 You are getting hung up on?? Time to go back to Sales 101. Could it be the person on the other end (likely a woman) knows they are getting played? You are getting hung up on?? Time to go back to Sales 101. Could it be the person on the other end (likely a woman) knows they are getting played?

]]> By: Mary Warren http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/comment-page-1/#comment-2269 Mary Warren Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:34:00 +0000 http://www.ere.net/2007/01/12/apply-your-recruiting-game/#comment-2269 As a recruiter and as a woman I found this article quite offensive. As a recruiter and as a woman I found this article quite offensive.

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