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		<title>By: The Google Recruiting Machine Rolls On With Google’s College Ambassador Program : ERE.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Google Recruiting Machine Rolls On With Google’s College Ambassador Program : ERE.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In this article, I&#8217;ll highlight some of the creative things that Google has tried in college recruiting, including its latest triumph, the amazing Google College Ambassador Program. (If you missed the original case study, or would like to revisit it, you can find it here.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In this article, I&#8217;ll highlight some of the creative things that Google has tried in college recruiting, including its latest triumph, the amazing Google College Ambassador Program. (If you missed the original case study, or would like to revisit it, you can find it here.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Working in a Corporate Paradise, or Just Wasting Time? &#124; IT Hire Wire</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-6772</link>
		<dc:creator>Working in a Corporate Paradise, or Just Wasting Time? &#124; IT Hire Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Point taken. We don&#8217;t need to be &#8220;coddled&#8221; at our jobs, but, at the same time, I don&#8217;t see how we can fault a company for placing emphasis on employee benefits. Google may take it to the extreme, but these people are geniuses, and there is a purpose for all of these benefits: &#8220;to encourage collaboration, to break down barriers between functions, and to stimulate individual creativity and innovation,&#8221; according to Dr. John Sullivan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Point taken. We don&#8217;t need to be &#8220;coddled&#8221; at our jobs, but, at the same time, I don&#8217;t see how we can fault a company for placing emphasis on employee benefits. Google may take it to the extreme, but these people are geniuses, and there is a purpose for all of these benefits: &#8220;to encourage collaboration, to break down barriers between functions, and to stimulate individual creativity and innovation,&#8221; according to Dr. John Sullivan. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Mattonen C.A.C., C.S.P</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Mattonen C.A.C., C.S.P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is pretty decent but would like to make 4 simple comments, not everything is always as great as it is made out to be, it is called life in business and business unfortunately must have a human element.  - 

1 Google does hire many Contract workers - For example 300 of the 'recruiters' are actually temp/contract. There is no wonder that they are making profit. No health, vacation, sick day worries..

2  To get the real truth of Google and it's environment check out the Blog of the former employees, very insightful http://xooglers.blogspot.com/  The Blog calls Google intranet Moma, ex googlers know what it means

3 To accomplish its current pace of hiring about 10 new employees a day Google offers extremely 
inflated compensation packages,   'irrational' offers are bad for the tech industry because they distort compensation expectations and sow resentment among lower-paid employees. This was quoted 

When I see that Google has such a high ratio I wonder, who is babysitting whom.. Actually, I wonder what are they up to.. They are hiring that many people for what reason?  10 People a day.. Are they trying to make losses financially, as they are an all profit company? It is a concern, because sometimes companies Can grow too big too fast (Crispy Cream for eg)

I also think of Yahoo how great and huge Yahoo was back in 2000 before the stock market crash.  Anyways read the blog, there is interesting stuff there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is pretty decent but would like to make 4 simple comments, not everything is always as great as it is made out to be, it is called life in business and business unfortunately must have a human element.  - </p>
<p>1 Google does hire many Contract workers - For example 300 of the &#8216;recruiters&#8217; are actually temp/contract. There is no wonder that they are making profit. No health, vacation, sick day worries..</p>
<p>2  To get the real truth of Google and it&#8217;s environment check out the Blog of the former employees, very insightful <a href="http://xooglers.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://xooglers.blogspot.com/</a>  The Blog calls Google intranet Moma, ex googlers know what it means</p>
<p>3 To accomplish its current pace of hiring about 10 new employees a day Google offers extremely<br />
inflated compensation packages,   &#8216;irrational&#8217; offers are bad for the tech industry because they distort compensation expectations and sow resentment among lower-paid employees. This was quoted </p>
<p>When I see that Google has such a high ratio I wonder, who is babysitting whom.. Actually, I wonder what are they up to.. They are hiring that many people for what reason?  10 People a day.. Are they trying to make losses financially, as they are an all profit company? It is a concern, because sometimes companies Can grow too big too fast (Crispy Cream for eg)</p>
<p>I also think of Yahoo how great and huge Yahoo was back in 2000 before the stock market crash.  Anyways read the blog, there is interesting stuff there.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ratio does not look quite as shocking when you take into account that the majority of Google's recruiters are not FTE's themselves, but are instead temps or contractors.  While it doesn't do much for promoting a world class recruiting team that is deeply committed to the company's success, it does provide a great degree of 'scalability' in the recruiting function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ratio does not look quite as shocking when you take into account that the majority of Google&#8217;s recruiters are not FTE&#8217;s themselves, but are instead temps or contractors.  While it doesn&#8217;t do much for promoting a world class recruiting team that is deeply committed to the company&#8217;s success, it does provide a great degree of &#8217;scalability&#8217; in the recruiting function.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Pedregon</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Pedregon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently did a stint with Google and, for the most part, enjoyed my time there.  However, they would be the first to admit that the existing hiring/interview process is entirely to lengthy and the 'candidate experience' is relatively poor for a large % of applicants (and they have the data to back this up).  

On the positive side, most of the people I worked with at Google were deeply passionate about staffing and about maintaining hiring standards within their respective groups.  However, you can't continue to throw money/warm bodies at a problem like volume recruiting without eventually collapsing under your own weight.  Unless they figure out a better, more efficient way of doing business, I'm afraid that is what will happen to their staffing function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently did a stint with Google and, for the most part, enjoyed my time there.  However, they would be the first to admit that the existing hiring/interview process is entirely to lengthy and the &#8216;candidate experience&#8217; is relatively poor for a large % of applicants (and they have the data to back this up).  </p>
<p>On the positive side, most of the people I worked with at Google were deeply passionate about staffing and about maintaining hiring standards within their respective groups.  However, you can&#8217;t continue to throw money/warm bodies at a problem like volume recruiting without eventually collapsing under your own weight.  Unless they figure out a better, more efficient way of doing business, I&#8217;m afraid that is what will happen to their staffing function.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have been preaching for a long time:

Q: What do you get when you put 2000 PhD's in a room together?

A: Nothing!!

At Google, there is the haves (stock option millionaires) and the have nots (newbies), cliques, and I can guarantee rivalry.

Another one:

Q: What do you get when you have a lot of disenchanted, very wealthy, smart employees?

A: Entrepreneurs who when they are sick of it all, decide to break out on their own and come up with the Google Killer.

I must agree with Eamonn, how long will Google be on top? 2 years? 5 years?

Their search results are suffering which is the basis for their business and it will remain to be seen how they can integrate all of their new features. My bet is that the first two years they will just try on their own with a few small acquisitions (may be wrong if they make a big splash with AOL but doesn't seem likely). Within 3 years, they will make a big splash with some sort of acquisition to try to maintain their growth. That is when the real culture clashes will begin.

The stock is good now, it may even go up some more, but I think that many of you recruiters will be able to recruit away some top flight talent with Google on their resume in the next few years for your clients. Next you will just have to work around programmers egos, which we all know about.

Hope all is well

Mark
HireVue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have been preaching for a long time:</p>
<p>Q: What do you get when you put 2000 PhD&#8217;s in a room together?</p>
<p>A: Nothing!!</p>
<p>At Google, there is the haves (stock option millionaires) and the have nots (newbies), cliques, and I can guarantee rivalry.</p>
<p>Another one:</p>
<p>Q: What do you get when you have a lot of disenchanted, very wealthy, smart employees?</p>
<p>A: Entrepreneurs who when they are sick of it all, decide to break out on their own and come up with the Google Killer.</p>
<p>I must agree with Eamonn, how long will Google be on top? 2 years? 5 years?</p>
<p>Their search results are suffering which is the basis for their business and it will remain to be seen how they can integrate all of their new features. My bet is that the first two years they will just try on their own with a few small acquisitions (may be wrong if they make a big splash with AOL but doesn&#8217;t seem likely). Within 3 years, they will make a big splash with some sort of acquisition to try to maintain their growth. That is when the real culture clashes will begin.</p>
<p>The stock is good now, it may even go up some more, but I think that many of you recruiters will be able to recruit away some top flight talent with Google on their resume in the next few years for your clients. Next you will just have to work around programmers egos, which we all know about.</p>
<p>Hope all is well</p>
<p>Mark<br />
HireVue</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Heinemann</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Heinemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to Google being a 'fad'...I see them more as a Netscape than the ones you mentioned.  No offense to Lycos etc. but they ain?t no Google or Netscape.    Google?s impact is significant across the board of many peoples work and private life.  Maybe from a recruiting resource perspective they are peaking is that is what you mean?

Of course, as a business they have proven themselves much stronger than Netscape as they have made themselves very difficult for Microsoft to crush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to Google being a &#8216;fad&#8217;&#8230;I see them more as a Netscape than the ones you mentioned.  No offense to Lycos etc. but they ain?t no Google or Netscape.    Google?s impact is significant across the board of many peoples work and private life.  Maybe from a recruiting resource perspective they are peaking is that is what you mean?</p>
<p>Of course, as a business they have proven themselves much stronger than Netscape as they have made themselves very difficult for Microsoft to crush.</p>
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		<title>By: Eamonn Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eamonn Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin has a point.

The other question is.. is google a fad? What happens to google when the next 'google'  comes along. Remember just a few years ago that we were raving about Northern lights and Lycos were the big names on the block when doing xrays, flips, searches etc. I understand that theres a difference in the tech and that google have marketed themselves up the wazoo....

comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin has a point.</p>
<p>The other question is.. is google a fad? What happens to google when the next &#8216;google&#8217;  comes along. Remember just a few years ago that we were raving about Northern lights and Lycos were the big names on the block when doing xrays, flips, searches etc. I understand that theres a difference in the tech and that google have marketed themselves up the wazoo&#8230;.</p>
<p>comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Kingsbury</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Kingsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is very interesting to look at but I wonder how generally applicable the lessons are. Google is not really like any other company, and it's not just because they recruit better people, but because their business operates according to entirely different rules.

For instance, according to Y! finance, GOOG has in the past year generated something like $575,000 in gross profit per employee, not to mention 95% revenue growth. GE produced ~$300k in profit per employee, with growth in the &gt;10% range. Did I mention Google has 3,000 employees, and GE 300,000?

If we look at market cap the picture is even starker. GE is around $380 billion, while Google is valued at $112bn. In one sense, one person in Google is worth as much as 300 people at GE. Sure, GE has a lot of factory workers, truck drivers, etc., but they also recruit the cream of every year's crop of science PhD's and whatnot. But in the end the Google business model simply looks like it can make far more money with far fewer people.

In recruiting terms today Google is kind of like the Apollo program once was in its own way: the center of the world. Even today, NASA could call any pilot in the world and say, 'Wanna be an astronaut?' and he or she would be on the next plane to Cape Canaveral. Most companies will not create this kind of environment because it's too risky. Heck, these days even NASA isn't willing to take chances the way they did in the '60s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is very interesting to look at but I wonder how generally applicable the lessons are. Google is not really like any other company, and it&#8217;s not just because they recruit better people, but because their business operates according to entirely different rules.</p>
<p>For instance, according to Y! finance, GOOG has in the past year generated something like $575,000 in gross profit per employee, not to mention 95% revenue growth. GE produced ~$300k in profit per employee, with growth in the >10% range. Did I mention Google has 3,000 employees, and GE 300,000?</p>
<p>If we look at market cap the picture is even starker. GE is around $380 billion, while Google is valued at $112bn. In one sense, one person in Google is worth as much as 300 people at GE. Sure, GE has a lot of factory workers, truck drivers, etc., but they also recruit the cream of every year&#8217;s crop of science PhD&#8217;s and whatnot. But in the end the Google business model simply looks like it can make far more money with far fewer people.</p>
<p>In recruiting terms today Google is kind of like the Apollo program once was in its own way: the center of the world. Even today, NASA could call any pilot in the world and say, &#8216;Wanna be an astronaut?&#8217; and he or she would be on the next plane to Cape Canaveral. Most companies will not create this kind of environment because it&#8217;s too risky. Heck, these days even NASA isn&#8217;t willing to take chances the way they did in the &#8217;60s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McIntosh</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy - I was surprised by the article as well but I am going to be careful on my comments as a lot of people will just perceive them as elGoog vs. MS. The number I would be really curious about here is hires per recruiter as if they have that many recruiters and the number of hires they are looking to make (lets say 3,000 a year) then that would put hires per recruiter at less than 10 each per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy - I was surprised by the article as well but I am going to be careful on my comments as a lot of people will just perceive them as elGoog vs. MS. The number I would be really curious about here is hires per recruiter as if they have that many recruiters and the number of hires they are looking to make (lets say 3,000 a year) then that would put hires per recruiter at less than 10 each per year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Langhans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Langhans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!!

14:1 ratio ... Am I the only one that thinks this is a bit crazy?? (I about choked when I heard Dr. John give this # out in Boston a few months ago)   The only reason you'd have ~350 'recruiters' for an employee base of ~5,000 employees is because about ~250 of those 'recruiters' must not be effective.  Waste of $$$??  Probably /shrug  Staffing up the recruiting dept to eventually staff up the company /shrug ...could be.   I think it's just over inflated (like their stock, their hype, etc).  this is a user/supporter view from the people I know at Google, have been at Google, and the few times they made me offers (which I declined) ... I?m sorry to be the devils advocate here; but with that much recruiting manpower you'd think they'd be growing a bit faster then they are.  Or is the goal of the recruiters not linked to them growing.   

I?m confused!!
Am I the only one that feels this way??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!!</p>
<p>14:1 ratio &#8230; Am I the only one that thinks this is a bit crazy?? (I about choked when I heard Dr. John give this # out in Boston a few months ago)   The only reason you&#8217;d have ~350 &#8216;recruiters&#8217; for an employee base of ~5,000 employees is because about ~250 of those &#8216;recruiters&#8217; must not be effective.  Waste of $$$??  Probably /shrug  Staffing up the recruiting dept to eventually staff up the company /shrug &#8230;could be.   I think it&#8217;s just over inflated (like their stock, their hype, etc).  this is a user/supporter view from the people I know at Google, have been at Google, and the few times they made me offers (which I declined) &#8230; I?m sorry to be the devils advocate here; but with that much recruiting manpower you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d be growing a bit faster then they are.  Or is the goal of the recruiters not linked to them growing.   </p>
<p>I?m confused!!<br />
Am I the only one that feels this way??</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/12/05/a-case-study-of-google-recruiting/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From all of my contacts in recruiting at Google, I have been hearing good things. At one point I had 150 recruiters working for me in the Bay Area at least a dozen of them have landed at Google at one time of another. Just last week I had dinner with friend who is working there in recruiting and loves it. She had nothing but positive things to say. 

I also had the opportunity recently to visit the Google campus for a lunch meeting with a visiting member of their recruiting team who works on contract from another state. He and I along with another member of the Google recruiting team enjoyed a nice lunch outside under the large market umbrellas. The atmosphere there was electric, the people were all very happy, smiling and laughing together. The food service was outstanding with a large selection and provided entirely by the company.

Google by all possible views looks to be doing extremely well in many different areas. Their ability to continue to grow and stay successful will be based on the people they recruit and retain. It looks like they are making a serious investment in recruiting top talent. I like their style and the direction they are headed as a company. Sure there will have some managers that are better than others, people that interview well and make it in only to find out later that they don't like it there or don't fit with the culture, that happens everywhere.

I welcome Google to the Silicon Valley recruiting scene and look forward to watching them be creative, adapt, and develop as we have with firms such as Ebay, Netscape, Yahoo, etc...

Craig Silverman
www.hireability.com - The Recruiting Network</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From all of my contacts in recruiting at Google, I have been hearing good things. At one point I had 150 recruiters working for me in the Bay Area at least a dozen of them have landed at Google at one time of another. Just last week I had dinner with friend who is working there in recruiting and loves it. She had nothing but positive things to say. </p>
<p>I also had the opportunity recently to visit the Google campus for a lunch meeting with a visiting member of their recruiting team who works on contract from another state. He and I along with another member of the Google recruiting team enjoyed a nice lunch outside under the large market umbrellas. The atmosphere there was electric, the people were all very happy, smiling and laughing together. The food service was outstanding with a large selection and provided entirely by the company.</p>
<p>Google by all possible views looks to be doing extremely well in many different areas. Their ability to continue to grow and stay successful will be based on the people they recruit and retain. It looks like they are making a serious investment in recruiting top talent. I like their style and the direction they are headed as a company. Sure there will have some managers that are better than others, people that interview well and make it in only to find out later that they don&#8217;t like it there or don&#8217;t fit with the culture, that happens everywhere.</p>
<p>I welcome Google to the Silicon Valley recruiting scene and look forward to watching them be creative, adapt, and develop as we have with firms such as Ebay, Netscape, Yahoo, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Craig Silverman<br />
<a href="http://www.hireability.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hireability.com</a> - The Recruiting Network</p>
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