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		<title>By: Dennis Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/06/27/why-managers-dont-respect-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good observations by Tammy Shin re. Dr. Sullivan&#039;s article.  I must say that I fall to Tammy&#039;s side of the fence with regard to a few points.  When I joined my current organization, the Controller had a very strong relationship with a staffing agency and he liked using their services exclusively for his hiring purposes.  A couple of reasons:  1) The same agency placed him in his current role (he felt a degree of kinship/loyalty to the agency; 2) He believed that they knew his business better than the recruiter (and, surprise, surprise - it was true).  His dedication to this agency was not based on a compulsion to spend the companies $$ so he would have a basis for evaluating the value of the newly hired employee.  He&#039;s the Controller for goodness sakes!  He doesn&#039;t want to spend a penny more than he absolutely has to spend.  Getting past his loyalty to the agency, he is confident in their ability to provide the best talent that is currently available on the market.  Having never demonstrated this ability, the recruiter was reduced to the role of paper-pusher &amp; highly paid interview-scheduler. 

If we are to gain the respect of our customers, we have the obligation to change their mind regarding our role in the organization - it will never be accomplished until we become *** consultative business partners *** with them.  It has taken several months, but our Controller is now persuaded of that value.  I challenged him to give our team the opportunity, and to hold us accountable for the results.  When the dust settled and we were able to provide the facts with regard to our efforts (see my blog on metrics at http://recruitersdumpingground.blogspot.com), 
he became our advocate within the accounting organization.  Realizing that he might not become our corporate champion after only a few months of metrics, we are still light-years ahead of where we were when we stood in the shoes of the so-called &#039;paper-pusher.&#039;  We are no longer paper-pushers; rather, we are partners who proudly tout an understanding of our customer&#039;s business and the strategic direction of the company. Recruiters who are savvy enough to settle for nothing less than stategic relationships with their cusomers become &#039;INVESTMENT BANKERS&#039; who daily add value to their organizations bottom-line. 

Tammy strikes another chord with her thoughts on &#039;manager&#039;s screening resumes.&#039;  If we are passing on the task of resume screening to the managers, it&#039;s only because they&#039;ve convinced us that we don&#039;t know what we are doing and do not have the skills to assess candidate fit.  Remember, perception is everything.  If that is their perception, than it&#039;s probably true (rewind to our Controller).  Suddenly, we&#039;re no longer in the role of partner/investment banker - we&#039;re back to being pushers.  

It is our priviledge to provide our customers a level of service that will boggle their minds.  How about sending your customer a &#039;candidate profile&#039; that summarizes their experiences/skills?  A truly professional-looking document (much like those used in the agencies/search firms) that answers the questions regarding skill-set match and explains the value the candidate will bring to the organization and how it will negatively impact your direct competitor.  The absence of resumes will be confusing at first...but the proof will be in the pudding.  

Not much else I could fault (given my infinite wisdom) in the good Dr.&#039;s article - it&#039;s a given that we must demonstrate a positive ROI; provide exceptional customer service; work hard to raise the standard of professionalism within recruiting, and proudly display our improved productivity for all to see (esp our CEO).  I just believe that much of this is accomplished as we rid our industry of the card-carrying paper-pusher-recruiter-wannabes, and become &#039;Consultative Investment-Bankers.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good observations by Tammy Shin re. Dr. Sullivan&#8217;s article.  I must say that I fall to Tammy&#8217;s side of the fence with regard to a few points.  When I joined my current organization, the Controller had a very strong relationship with a staffing agency and he liked using their services exclusively for his hiring purposes.  A couple of reasons:  1) The same agency placed him in his current role (he felt a degree of kinship/loyalty to the agency; 2) He believed that they knew his business better than the recruiter (and, surprise, surprise &#8211; it was true).  His dedication to this agency was not based on a compulsion to spend the companies $$ so he would have a basis for evaluating the value of the newly hired employee.  He&#8217;s the Controller for goodness sakes!  He doesn&#8217;t want to spend a penny more than he absolutely has to spend.  Getting past his loyalty to the agency, he is confident in their ability to provide the best talent that is currently available on the market.  Having never demonstrated this ability, the recruiter was reduced to the role of paper-pusher &#038; highly paid interview-scheduler. </p>
<p>If we are to gain the respect of our customers, we have the obligation to change their mind regarding our role in the organization &#8211; it will never be accomplished until we become *** consultative business partners *** with them.  It has taken several months, but our Controller is now persuaded of that value.  I challenged him to give our team the opportunity, and to hold us accountable for the results.  When the dust settled and we were able to provide the facts with regard to our efforts (see my blog on metrics at <a href="http://recruitersdumpingground.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://recruitersdumpingground.blogspot.com</a>),<br />
he became our advocate within the accounting organization.  Realizing that he might not become our corporate champion after only a few months of metrics, we are still light-years ahead of where we were when we stood in the shoes of the so-called &#8216;paper-pusher.&#8217;  We are no longer paper-pushers; rather, we are partners who proudly tout an understanding of our customer&#8217;s business and the strategic direction of the company. Recruiters who are savvy enough to settle for nothing less than stategic relationships with their cusomers become &#8216;INVESTMENT BANKERS&#8217; who daily add value to their organizations bottom-line. </p>
<p>Tammy strikes another chord with her thoughts on &#8216;manager&#8217;s screening resumes.&#8217;  If we are passing on the task of resume screening to the managers, it&#8217;s only because they&#8217;ve convinced us that we don&#8217;t know what we are doing and do not have the skills to assess candidate fit.  Remember, perception is everything.  If that is their perception, than it&#8217;s probably true (rewind to our Controller).  Suddenly, we&#8217;re no longer in the role of partner/investment banker &#8211; we&#8217;re back to being pushers.  </p>
<p>It is our priviledge to provide our customers a level of service that will boggle their minds.  How about sending your customer a &#8216;candidate profile&#8217; that summarizes their experiences/skills?  A truly professional-looking document (much like those used in the agencies/search firms) that answers the questions regarding skill-set match and explains the value the candidate will bring to the organization and how it will negatively impact your direct competitor.  The absence of resumes will be confusing at first&#8230;but the proof will be in the pudding.  </p>
<p>Not much else I could fault (given my infinite wisdom) in the good Dr.&#8217;s article &#8211; it&#8217;s a given that we must demonstrate a positive ROI; provide exceptional customer service; work hard to raise the standard of professionalism within recruiting, and proudly display our improved productivity for all to see (esp our CEO).  I just believe that much of this is accomplished as we rid our industry of the card-carrying paper-pusher-recruiter-wannabes, and become &#8216;Consultative Investment-Bankers.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy Kim Shin</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/06/27/why-managers-dont-respect-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Tammy Kim Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually quite surprised that this article received only one response. I assumed that it would have triggered a flurry of activity and debate. I was very excited about seeing this article in my inbox because I know that lack of management?s respect for recruiting is a huge problem in many companies and it is one of the biggest challenges recruiters face constantly. So needless to say I was very surprised and honestly disappointed in Dr. Sullivan?s ?solutions? to the problem, which places a lot of emphasis in recruiter compensation and quantifying everything we do so we can plug it in to a lame excel spreadsheet in order to justify our existence. While I completely disagree with his ideas on compensation (we?ll table that for another time) and do whole heartily agree that what we do should be measured by establishing quantifiable metrics (while I hate it, I am a metrics queen!), but I believe that he completely missed the boat as to WHY recruiters don?t get any respect. It makes me question whether or not he has EVER actually spoken to hiring/line managers outside of HR before. Well I have and do so every single day and I?ll share with my colleagues as to why managers don?t respect recruiters (I hate to say it, but someone needs to): It?s because most recruiters have absolutely no clue what the heck they are doing! Many have no idea what the business REALLY does, not to mention what their hiring managers even do, let alone the challenges they face and how they view themselves and their group as it relates to the overall strategic direction of company.  I?ve seen on countless occasions recruiters who don?t even know what position they are ?recruiting? for actually does and how it ties in to the manager/company?s objectives.  

I find it amazing that Dr. Sullivan (no disrespect intended) actually believes the reason why hiring managers circumvent internal recruiters in order to use outside agencies is because they somehow have it in their heads that paying for something means that it must be good.  I hate to break the news, but that IS NOT the reason. Again, I?ll tell you why ? it?s because the hiring managers do not have the faith that the internal recruiters actually ?get it.? Nor do they trust the recruiter?s ability to identify, target and perhaps cold call potential candidates. Rather they see the internal recruiter no more than paper-pushers (aka ?glorified admin?). With that said, even if you go with the ?fee-for-service? model; they?ll REALLY feel as though they?re being ripped off.  So we?re back where we started ? Their lack of confidence that the internal recruiters actually ?get it.?

I could go on an on about this, but one last point before I go. In the opening paragraph it mentions that hiring managers aren?t reading the resumes their recruiters submit. I know this is common, but I always wonder WHY recruiters even do this.  Screening resumes is not their job, it?s OUR job. Hiring managers shouldn?t EVEN be screening resumes if the recruiters fully know what they?re doing. And if they are requesting to see resume first it?s because again, they lack the confidence that the recruiter understands what the objectives of the position are and what the person who fills the spot is actually going to be doing.  A recruiter who is truly on top of their game will take that resume, call the candidate, ensure they are really qualified and will fit with what the hiring manager has envisioned for this role and if so, let the hiring manager know to be available Tuesday at 10 am (or whenever) for an interview.  But again, we?re back to the root problem?recruiters need to fully understand the business objects of the hiring managers.  

I&#039;m saying all of this, not out of any disrespect to my colleagues but rather to share some of the success I have had with my hiring managers. It is my hope for everyone to feel how I feel, which is this: ?I LOVE MY HIRING MANAGERS!!? &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;You can read the original article &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/6E61B993F0444682942EC9966B70C577.asp&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Post your own Article Review&lt;BR&gt;http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&amp;cid={31C12CBF-612C-406A-8EF0-D84540FBAF82} &lt;BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually quite surprised that this article received only one response. I assumed that it would have triggered a flurry of activity and debate. I was very excited about seeing this article in my inbox because I know that lack of management?s respect for recruiting is a huge problem in many companies and it is one of the biggest challenges recruiters face constantly. So needless to say I was very surprised and honestly disappointed in Dr. Sullivan?s ?solutions? to the problem, which places a lot of emphasis in recruiter compensation and quantifying everything we do so we can plug it in to a lame excel spreadsheet in order to justify our existence. While I completely disagree with his ideas on compensation (we?ll table that for another time) and do whole heartily agree that what we do should be measured by establishing quantifiable metrics (while I hate it, I am a metrics queen!), but I believe that he completely missed the boat as to WHY recruiters don?t get any respect. It makes me question whether or not he has EVER actually spoken to hiring/line managers outside of HR before. Well I have and do so every single day and I?ll share with my colleagues as to why managers don?t respect recruiters (I hate to say it, but someone needs to): It?s because most recruiters have absolutely no clue what the heck they are doing! Many have no idea what the business REALLY does, not to mention what their hiring managers even do, let alone the challenges they face and how they view themselves and their group as it relates to the overall strategic direction of company.  I?ve seen on countless occasions recruiters who don?t even know what position they are ?recruiting? for actually does and how it ties in to the manager/company?s objectives.  </p>
<p>I find it amazing that Dr. Sullivan (no disrespect intended) actually believes the reason why hiring managers circumvent internal recruiters in order to use outside agencies is because they somehow have it in their heads that paying for something means that it must be good.  I hate to break the news, but that IS NOT the reason. Again, I?ll tell you why ? it?s because the hiring managers do not have the faith that the internal recruiters actually ?get it.? Nor do they trust the recruiter?s ability to identify, target and perhaps cold call potential candidates. Rather they see the internal recruiter no more than paper-pushers (aka ?glorified admin?). With that said, even if you go with the ?fee-for-service? model; they?ll REALLY feel as though they?re being ripped off.  So we?re back where we started ? Their lack of confidence that the internal recruiters actually ?get it.?</p>
<p>I could go on an on about this, but one last point before I go. In the opening paragraph it mentions that hiring managers aren?t reading the resumes their recruiters submit. I know this is common, but I always wonder WHY recruiters even do this.  Screening resumes is not their job, it?s OUR job. Hiring managers shouldn?t EVEN be screening resumes if the recruiters fully know what they?re doing. And if they are requesting to see resume first it?s because again, they lack the confidence that the recruiter understands what the objectives of the position are and what the person who fills the spot is actually going to be doing.  A recruiter who is truly on top of their game will take that resume, call the candidate, ensure they are really qualified and will fit with what the hiring manager has envisioned for this role and if so, let the hiring manager know to be available Tuesday at 10 am (or whenever) for an interview.  But again, we?re back to the root problem?recruiters need to fully understand the business objects of the hiring managers.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying all of this, not out of any disrespect to my colleagues but rather to share some of the success I have had with my hiring managers. It is my hope for everyone to feel how I feel, which is this: ?I LOVE MY HIRING MANAGERS!!? </p>
<p>You can read the original article <a HREF="http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/6E61B993F0444682942EC9966B70C577.asp">here</a> </p>
<p>Post your own Article Review<br /><a href="http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&#038;cid=" rel="nofollow">http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&#038;cid=</a>{31C12CBF-612C-406A-8EF0-D84540FBAF82} </p>
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		<title>By: Jason Avant</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/06/27/why-managers-dont-respect-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Avant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2004 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently working for a company whose practices mirror many of the challenges faced here. One underlying issue that was not addressed, and should be considered a root cause of many of these problems, is the role and view of the recruiting arm within the HR organization itself. Too often, recruiting teams are seen by the &#039;real&#039; HR folks as a necessary evil: either the HR staff lacks the time/resources to recruit themselves, or simply lacks the skills (both professional and personal) to effectively recruit. In either case, there is a perception that a recruiter is an ancillary part of the HR organization itself - and this perception is either knowingly or unknowingly filtered out to other key players in the organization. Having the backing of your own HR team is an essential first step to ensuring that the recruiting function is perceived as a valuable part of the company&#039;s business plan. Getting that buy-in can certainly make developing the relationships with the line managers much easier, a fact that was not explored in this otherwise excellent article.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;You can read the original article &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/6E61B993F0444682942EC9966B70C577.asp&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Post your own Article Review&lt;BR&gt;http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&amp;cid={50B08B88-C4AC-4A53-86AA-9BFF986E1CA9} &lt;BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently working for a company whose practices mirror many of the challenges faced here. One underlying issue that was not addressed, and should be considered a root cause of many of these problems, is the role and view of the recruiting arm within the HR organization itself. Too often, recruiting teams are seen by the &#8216;real&#8217; HR folks as a necessary evil: either the HR staff lacks the time/resources to recruit themselves, or simply lacks the skills (both professional and personal) to effectively recruit. In either case, there is a perception that a recruiter is an ancillary part of the HR organization itself &#8211; and this perception is either knowingly or unknowingly filtered out to other key players in the organization. Having the backing of your own HR team is an essential first step to ensuring that the recruiting function is perceived as a valuable part of the company&#8217;s business plan. Getting that buy-in can certainly make developing the relationships with the line managers much easier, a fact that was not explored in this otherwise excellent article.</p>
<p>You can read the original article <a HREF="http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/6E61B993F0444682942EC9966B70C577.asp">here</a> </p>
<p>Post your own Article Review<br /><a href="http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&#038;cid=" rel="nofollow">http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&#038;cid=</a>{50B08B88-C4AC-4A53-86AA-9BFF986E1CA9} </p>
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