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		<title>By: Maureen Sharib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Sharib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Out of 75 kids I put in the Marine Corps, 70 of them were fraudulent enlistments.&#039;

The Recriter&#039;s War by Michael Bronner
This month Vanity Fair arriving in your mailboxes this week.  If you&#039;re not subscribed, make your annual ccheckup with your doctor and read it in the waiting room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Out of 75 kids I put in the Marine Corps, 70 of them were fraudulent enlistments.&#8217;</p>
<p>The Recriter&#8217;s War by Michael Bronner<br />
This month Vanity Fair arriving in your mailboxes this week.  If you&#8217;re not subscribed, make your annual ccheckup with your doctor and read it in the waiting room.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Adamsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Adamsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you missed not just that part of the contract but the whole boat as well!

The next time our country is under attack, feel free to call the corporations for whom you work for protection. I am sure they will be more than happy to send out the corporate staff to defend your life and your rights.

Howard Adamsky
HR innovators</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you missed not just that part of the contract but the whole boat as well!</p>
<p>The next time our country is under attack, feel free to call the corporations for whom you work for protection. I am sure they will be more than happy to send out the corporate staff to defend your life and your rights.</p>
<p>Howard Adamsky<br />
HR innovators</p>
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		<title>By: X X</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who&#039;s retired Navy and spent about 16 years in recruiting/career counseling, I&#039;d like to offer just a couple of comments to this post.

First, if you want a lesson in recruiting try recruiting people into a position where they will be underpaid, under-appreciated (by a large segment of this country), and over worked for a job that quite probably will be life threatening. Not to mention under a contract that says you could be in the position with the organization for life.  Trust me, it will teach you a great lesson on how to find value in everything but money!

Second, when folks say something it shows just how much they don&#039;t know than they do.  For instance, to blame the Commander-In-Chief for the Army&#039;s (or any other Branch) recruiting deficiencies show just how little is known about the military and military recruiting.  For those who choose to turn their noses up at any mention of helping our military, I can only say that our military is doing their part to serve you and the rest of us, isn&#039;t it too bad that you feel a &#039;contract&#039; is necessary to help them in return?

Which brings me to my final point and suggestion on how to help our military recruiters the most.  How about just showing our military the respect it deserves?  How about supporting them all we can and doing so more in deed than just empty rhetoric?  Maybe if we supported our servicemen and women today in the same manner that our WW I and WW II folks were, we&#039;d have the same results that they did in their recruiting efforts.  At the same time the war was going on, recruiting was still having no problem finding people who wanted to serve.  Could it be because they knew they would come home a hero and be treated as such rather than the &#039;You mean you were idiotic enough to join the military?&#039; attitude that is so often rendered today?

So, let&#039;s help our military recruiters with the benefit of suggestions from our recruiting experience - sure.  But let&#039;s also help them even more by showing our support for all our military!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s retired Navy and spent about 16 years in recruiting/career counseling, I&#8217;d like to offer just a couple of comments to this post.</p>
<p>First, if you want a lesson in recruiting try recruiting people into a position where they will be underpaid, under-appreciated (by a large segment of this country), and over worked for a job that quite probably will be life threatening. Not to mention under a contract that says you could be in the position with the organization for life.  Trust me, it will teach you a great lesson on how to find value in everything but money!</p>
<p>Second, when folks say something it shows just how much they don&#8217;t know than they do.  For instance, to blame the Commander-In-Chief for the Army&#8217;s (or any other Branch) recruiting deficiencies show just how little is known about the military and military recruiting.  For those who choose to turn their noses up at any mention of helping our military, I can only say that our military is doing their part to serve you and the rest of us, isn&#8217;t it too bad that you feel a &#8216;contract&#8217; is necessary to help them in return?</p>
<p>Which brings me to my final point and suggestion on how to help our military recruiters the most.  How about just showing our military the respect it deserves?  How about supporting them all we can and doing so more in deed than just empty rhetoric?  Maybe if we supported our servicemen and women today in the same manner that our WW I and WW II folks were, we&#8217;d have the same results that they did in their recruiting efforts.  At the same time the war was going on, recruiting was still having no problem finding people who wanted to serve.  Could it be because they knew they would come home a hero and be treated as such rather than the &#8216;You mean you were idiotic enough to join the military?&#8217; attitude that is so often rendered today?</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s help our military recruiters with the benefit of suggestions from our recruiting experience &#8211; sure.  But let&#8217;s also help them even more by showing our support for all our military!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I read the article and flashed back to ten years ago when I was an army recruiter for my last eight years of service. Six and a half day work weeks, 12 hour days, constant rejection, lived through it all.  If you want to become a success as a military recruiter you end up becoming quite creative in finding quality candidates.  

So not to belabor the point but I can only concur with the others who posted a response on this topic.  The Army&#039;s recruiting force treats recruiting like any other combat mission and not from a business prespective. 

To bad, with the military&#039;s esprit de corp and financial backing, if they approached it from a business prespective they would be serious competitors in the employment market.  Since they don&#039;t is does leave more for the rest of us.  It certainly would be an interesting challenge to help them figure it out though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I read the article and flashed back to ten years ago when I was an army recruiter for my last eight years of service. Six and a half day work weeks, 12 hour days, constant rejection, lived through it all.  If you want to become a success as a military recruiter you end up becoming quite creative in finding quality candidates.  </p>
<p>So not to belabor the point but I can only concur with the others who posted a response on this topic.  The Army&#8217;s recruiting force treats recruiting like any other combat mission and not from a business prespective. </p>
<p>To bad, with the military&#8217;s esprit de corp and financial backing, if they approached it from a business prespective they would be serious competitors in the employment market.  Since they don&#8217;t is does leave more for the rest of us.  It certainly would be an interesting challenge to help them figure it out though.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Gieskes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Gieskes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too enjoyed the article and can only imagine how difficult recruiting must be for the Armed Forces. One keeps reading in the press about constantly increasing sign-on and re-sign bonuses the Pentagon is offering, but nothing about the equivalent of &#039;employee referral programs&#039;.

 Don&#039;t these exist in the Armed Forces? Referrals are #1 source of hires in general, are they not?

Hans Gieskes
CEO &amp; C0-Founder H3.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too enjoyed the article and can only imagine how difficult recruiting must be for the Armed Forces. One keeps reading in the press about constantly increasing sign-on and re-sign bonuses the Pentagon is offering, but nothing about the equivalent of &#8216;employee referral programs&#8217;.</p>
<p> Don&#8217;t these exist in the Armed Forces? Referrals are #1 source of hires in general, are they not?</p>
<p>Hans Gieskes<br />
CEO &#038; C0-Founder H3.com</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Paciorek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Paciorek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ex-Army recruiter some of your ideas are on point, and some are way off.  Here is a little insight to how the Army recruiting command thinks.

Let&#039;s say Congress figures out that the country needs 100,000 people in boots.  That is in Basic Training.

The number is given to the Recruting Command and the &#039;beef&#039; up that number to 150,000 (due to attrition, people refusing to go to basic, Losses etc...).

That 150,000 is then pushed down to the Recruiters in the field and on the streets.

Recruiters are graded on what joins and the Recruting Command is graded on what shows up to basic training.

We use to pull people forward to leave for basic or push them back at the end of September based on where we were with our overall quota. SInce Oct 1 is the Govt. Fiscal year.

Secondly bonuses are there to entice people on the fence to enlist.  Most people that join the Army do so because they want to be like their recruiter (the Army has done numerous studies to back this.)

Third. The Army is actually in most cases harder to get into then most colleges.  After the mental tests,physical tests, and background checks it is only then you get the opportunity to serve your country.

The Army is currently using contractors (mostly ex-recruiters) to help in their recruting needs.

Now in response to your &#039;suggestions&#039;  the Army is actively doing all of the things you are suggesting.

I will close with this when I was recruiting back in 91 I vividly remember sitting at a prospective candiates house and speaking with his perents ( he was 17 and needed them to sign for him).  The rest of the family was in the living room watching CNN, and lo and behold the Scud hit the reserve barracks.  Needless to say the whole family ran into the living room and watched the scene.  I was left at the dining room table contemplating what was to come next.  After a long discussion with the parents and their son, they agreed that the Army was still a good place for him to go.

The point being that we as a Country must support and defend her at all costs.  People may not agree with what is going on in the world, but is a much different place, post 9/11 and will remain that way.

I encourage all of you that know anyone that is of age to ask them to explore their options in the U.S. Military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ex-Army recruiter some of your ideas are on point, and some are way off.  Here is a little insight to how the Army recruiting command thinks.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Congress figures out that the country needs 100,000 people in boots.  That is in Basic Training.</p>
<p>The number is given to the Recruting Command and the &#8216;beef&#8217; up that number to 150,000 (due to attrition, people refusing to go to basic, Losses etc&#8230;).</p>
<p>That 150,000 is then pushed down to the Recruiters in the field and on the streets.</p>
<p>Recruiters are graded on what joins and the Recruting Command is graded on what shows up to basic training.</p>
<p>We use to pull people forward to leave for basic or push them back at the end of September based on where we were with our overall quota. SInce Oct 1 is the Govt. Fiscal year.</p>
<p>Secondly bonuses are there to entice people on the fence to enlist.  Most people that join the Army do so because they want to be like their recruiter (the Army has done numerous studies to back this.)</p>
<p>Third. The Army is actually in most cases harder to get into then most colleges.  After the mental tests,physical tests, and background checks it is only then you get the opportunity to serve your country.</p>
<p>The Army is currently using contractors (mostly ex-recruiters) to help in their recruting needs.</p>
<p>Now in response to your &#8216;suggestions&#8217;  the Army is actively doing all of the things you are suggesting.</p>
<p>I will close with this when I was recruiting back in 91 I vividly remember sitting at a prospective candiates house and speaking with his perents ( he was 17 and needed them to sign for him).  The rest of the family was in the living room watching CNN, and lo and behold the Scud hit the reserve barracks.  Needless to say the whole family ran into the living room and watched the scene.  I was left at the dining room table contemplating what was to come next.  After a long discussion with the parents and their son, they agreed that the Army was still a good place for him to go.</p>
<p>The point being that we as a Country must support and defend her at all costs.  People may not agree with what is going on in the world, but is a much different place, post 9/11 and will remain that way.</p>
<p>I encourage all of you that know anyone that is of age to ask them to explore their options in the U.S. Military.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-

Having blogged about this very topic several months back, let me tell you about my experiences. BTW, before one comments on this article, I&#039;d suggest first paying a visit to a local recruiting center and talk to the recruiters. Incidentally, even if you&#039;re against the military, rather than get all bent out of shape, why not view it as an intellectual challenge. Think it&#039;s that much different for a person who&#039;s Mom died from lung cancer after smoking for 50 years? Folks are still being recruited to tobacco companies. Substitute &#039;alcohol&#039;, etc. for tobacco and think about it. Military is for some, not for others. Move on.

After spending time with the local Army recruiter and seeing how their recruiting organization works and is lead, I realize that culturally there are things that can and cannot be easily done. It was easy to get the recruiters to sign on to ERE - articles like this will reinforce the fact that they have a difficult job to do (and they&#039;ll learn from reading the articles and interacting with the crew). The chain of command relies on &#039;tried and true&#039; methods - some of which are incredibly archaic (again, don&#039;t take my word for it - visit a recruiting center for a chat). I&#039;ll add one to your list that you incredibly skipped over. There&#039;s a small school called West Point whose alumni are peppered throughout companies in America - many grads are now your neighbors. Use these people as influencers (BTW, the Army has a group called COI- Core of Influence - of which I now find myself part of; the COIs are invited to events where they can interact with other COIs and members of the Army&#039;s recruiting intelligencia). In fact, all honorables can be used to find the next great recruit. Another tip I gave them was to look at the local newspapers in the Spring and Fall for the local area&#039;s All-County Athletic Teams. For instance, Newsday published the boys and girls all and second, third and fourth teams for all sports on Long Island. The recruiters see sport, some physical dimensions, and class. Not a bad place to start when networking (&#039;I hear you&#039;re an All-County LAX player - so was I...&#039;)

And hey, you may even learn something about persistence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-</p>
<p>Having blogged about this very topic several months back, let me tell you about my experiences. BTW, before one comments on this article, I&#8217;d suggest first paying a visit to a local recruiting center and talk to the recruiters. Incidentally, even if you&#8217;re against the military, rather than get all bent out of shape, why not view it as an intellectual challenge. Think it&#8217;s that much different for a person who&#8217;s Mom died from lung cancer after smoking for 50 years? Folks are still being recruited to tobacco companies. Substitute &#8216;alcohol&#8217;, etc. for tobacco and think about it. Military is for some, not for others. Move on.</p>
<p>After spending time with the local Army recruiter and seeing how their recruiting organization works and is lead, I realize that culturally there are things that can and cannot be easily done. It was easy to get the recruiters to sign on to ERE &#8211; articles like this will reinforce the fact that they have a difficult job to do (and they&#8217;ll learn from reading the articles and interacting with the crew). The chain of command relies on &#8216;tried and true&#8217; methods &#8211; some of which are incredibly archaic (again, don&#8217;t take my word for it &#8211; visit a recruiting center for a chat). I&#8217;ll add one to your list that you incredibly skipped over. There&#8217;s a small school called West Point whose alumni are peppered throughout companies in America &#8211; many grads are now your neighbors. Use these people as influencers (BTW, the Army has a group called COI- Core of Influence &#8211; of which I now find myself part of; the COIs are invited to events where they can interact with other COIs and members of the Army&#8217;s recruiting intelligencia). In fact, all honorables can be used to find the next great recruit. Another tip I gave them was to look at the local newspapers in the Spring and Fall for the local area&#8217;s All-County Athletic Teams. For instance, Newsday published the boys and girls all and second, third and fourth teams for all sports on Long Island. The recruiters see sport, some physical dimensions, and class. Not a bad place to start when networking (&#8216;I hear you&#8217;re an All-County LAX player &#8211; so was I&#8230;&#8217;)</p>
<p>And hey, you may even learn something about persistence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Malchus Watlington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malchus Watlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before posting, I took a good look at the previous reviews, and was very pleased to see that many former Armed Services recruiters had joined the discussion. Listen to what they have to say.

And for those who are unfamiliar with Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force and Coast Guard recruiting practices, please do not assume that they lack sophistication.  My review of those practices, while pitching a consulting engagement for those overseeing recruiting at the Pentagon, led me to believe that there are very few modern recruiting approaches that have not been tried by the Armed Services. 

Nevertheless, the Army is in trouble. They are not meeting their recruiting goals, and it is doubtful that they will given the current situation: 

First, there is the war in Iraq, which is perhaps the most immediately public conflict that we&#039;ve ever been involved in. And it hasn&#039;t been pretty. While there are many heroic stories that will never wind up on the news, we are disappointed daily with the stories concerning how an NFL volunteer (a hero the day he made his decision to go) really died, or tales of prison abuse.

Second, there are the widely publicized missteps by recruiters who let quotas get the best of them (sounds like some CEO&#039;s we know whose need to report glowing financial results also went awry).

Third, there is the mixed message sent to our men and women in uniform who see &#039;merc&#039; pay for similar jobs at multiples of what they are earning.  No one wants to be taken for a sucker.

Given all this, it would be simple to sit back and just admire the problem. But that is not what John Sullivan is suggesting - he&#039;s asking that we help out when our country really needs it.  But let&#039;s do so with respect for what those engaged in Army recruiting today know, the skills that they have and the difficulty of the task they face.  And while you&#039;re at it John, let&#039;s ask for some help from our friends in the PR profession, as well. It&#039;s going to take all of us to turn this situation around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before posting, I took a good look at the previous reviews, and was very pleased to see that many former Armed Services recruiters had joined the discussion. Listen to what they have to say.</p>
<p>And for those who are unfamiliar with Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force and Coast Guard recruiting practices, please do not assume that they lack sophistication.  My review of those practices, while pitching a consulting engagement for those overseeing recruiting at the Pentagon, led me to believe that there are very few modern recruiting approaches that have not been tried by the Armed Services. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, the Army is in trouble. They are not meeting their recruiting goals, and it is doubtful that they will given the current situation: </p>
<p>First, there is the war in Iraq, which is perhaps the most immediately public conflict that we&#8217;ve ever been involved in. And it hasn&#8217;t been pretty. While there are many heroic stories that will never wind up on the news, we are disappointed daily with the stories concerning how an NFL volunteer (a hero the day he made his decision to go) really died, or tales of prison abuse.</p>
<p>Second, there are the widely publicized missteps by recruiters who let quotas get the best of them (sounds like some CEO&#8217;s we know whose need to report glowing financial results also went awry).</p>
<p>Third, there is the mixed message sent to our men and women in uniform who see &#8216;merc&#8217; pay for similar jobs at multiples of what they are earning.  No one wants to be taken for a sucker.</p>
<p>Given all this, it would be simple to sit back and just admire the problem. But that is not what John Sullivan is suggesting &#8211; he&#8217;s asking that we help out when our country really needs it.  But let&#8217;s do so with respect for what those engaged in Army recruiting today know, the skills that they have and the difficulty of the task they face.  And while you&#8217;re at it John, let&#8217;s ask for some help from our friends in the PR profession, as well. It&#8217;s going to take all of us to turn this situation around.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Sullivan many of your ideas are sound good on paper, however until the military truly realizes that recruiting is a sales job and treats it as such they will continue to have the same challenges year over year.  

One of the major challenges is good sales people want to be rewarded for their efforts that&#039;s why sales jobs are so leveraged. (i.e 50% base 50% commision)  The incentive for a military recruiter is if they make quota they do not have to work on Saturday or get couple of pieces of wood at that end of the year.  Really motivating huh!!    

Yes, you are sent to intense sales training, but sells requires a attitude and personility that the military can not teach.  When the economy is bad and we are in peace you can get the average GI Joe or GI Jane to process candidates but now is the time your most seasoned recruiter will rise to the top.  Oops the good ones have left the military for betting paying corporate or headhunting roles.  

Yes, this is a difficult time for recruiters and a tough sell, but in many respects the higher ups have no clue what is going on in the streets.  The military must look at fixing recruiting for the long term not just a bandaid, I mean signing bonus.

I could go on and on but this is just the 2 cents for a former Air Force Recruiter.  

Dr Sullivan if you get an invite from the military please let me know I would love to tag along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sullivan many of your ideas are sound good on paper, however until the military truly realizes that recruiting is a sales job and treats it as such they will continue to have the same challenges year over year.  </p>
<p>One of the major challenges is good sales people want to be rewarded for their efforts that&#8217;s why sales jobs are so leveraged. (i.e 50% base 50% commision)  The incentive for a military recruiter is if they make quota they do not have to work on Saturday or get couple of pieces of wood at that end of the year.  Really motivating huh!!    </p>
<p>Yes, you are sent to intense sales training, but sells requires a attitude and personility that the military can not teach.  When the economy is bad and we are in peace you can get the average GI Joe or GI Jane to process candidates but now is the time your most seasoned recruiter will rise to the top.  Oops the good ones have left the military for betting paying corporate or headhunting roles.  </p>
<p>Yes, this is a difficult time for recruiters and a tough sell, but in many respects the higher ups have no clue what is going on in the streets.  The military must look at fixing recruiting for the long term not just a bandaid, I mean signing bonus.</p>
<p>I could go on and on but this is just the 2 cents for a former Air Force Recruiter.  </p>
<p>Dr Sullivan if you get an invite from the military please let me know I would love to tag along.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Goss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Goss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One suggestion I might make concerning John&#039;s recommendations.

Asking for a referral on the first day.  

In my Army career, I commanded a reception company -- the first place a soldier goes after signing up where it&#039;s really the Army.  New soldiers get yelled at by drill sergeants, they stand in lines and wait, they fill out forms again and again, they get horrendous haircuts, they wear funny clothes, they get confused by the terminology and they get homesick.  Unlike people starting a new job, soldiers are very scared, very frustrated and most would go home if given the chance.  In other words, they are not at their shining best.

Ask for referrals when they are at a peak and proud of what they have accomplished and proud of their service.  Examples might be when they complete basic training or advanced training.  You have weeded out the low performers and now have people who are able to give a true impression of what they accomplished. 

Of course, if you send them home and let them help in the recruiting process (an extension of the Hometown Recruiter Assistance Program), they can really add value (though at a cost).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One suggestion I might make concerning John&#8217;s recommendations.</p>
<p>Asking for a referral on the first day.  </p>
<p>In my Army career, I commanded a reception company &#8212; the first place a soldier goes after signing up where it&#8217;s really the Army.  New soldiers get yelled at by drill sergeants, they stand in lines and wait, they fill out forms again and again, they get horrendous haircuts, they wear funny clothes, they get confused by the terminology and they get homesick.  Unlike people starting a new job, soldiers are very scared, very frustrated and most would go home if given the chance.  In other words, they are not at their shining best.</p>
<p>Ask for referrals when they are at a peak and proud of what they have accomplished and proud of their service.  Examples might be when they complete basic training or advanced training.  You have weeded out the low performers and now have people who are able to give a true impression of what they accomplished. </p>
<p>Of course, if you send them home and let them help in the recruiting process (an extension of the Hometown Recruiter Assistance Program), they can really add value (though at a cost).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Sullivan proposes that the army implement some of the best practices utilized by corporate recruiters.

OK, suppose that I am the VP of Human Resources for XYZ Corporation, a very high profile, but not necessarily very highly respected company. Let&#039;s imagine that XYZ has received a LOT of negative press lately and that even in the best of times, XYZ offers salaries that are well below competitive and that their safety record is not too good either.

Well, I can&#039;t dispute Dr. Sullivan&#039;s premise that a better referral program, advertising in movie theaters and quadrupling my number of recruiters would inevitably lead to a few more hires...but as the VP of HR, my advice to my CEO/Commander in Chief would be to save that money and take a closer look at the reasons nobody wants to work for us anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sullivan proposes that the army implement some of the best practices utilized by corporate recruiters.</p>
<p>OK, suppose that I am the VP of Human Resources for XYZ Corporation, a very high profile, but not necessarily very highly respected company. Let&#8217;s imagine that XYZ has received a LOT of negative press lately and that even in the best of times, XYZ offers salaries that are well below competitive and that their safety record is not too good either.</p>
<p>Well, I can&#8217;t dispute Dr. Sullivan&#8217;s premise that a better referral program, advertising in movie theaters and quadrupling my number of recruiters would inevitably lead to a few more hires&#8230;but as the VP of HR, my advice to my CEO/Commander in Chief would be to save that money and take a closer look at the reasons nobody wants to work for us anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cochrun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cochrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Marine (is there such a thing?), wanted to point out that many of your suggestions are already in place in the Marine Corps Recruiting Command.  

The Marines have (yet again) met their recruiting goals for the year, and the Army came up short.  Why?  You touched on it in your article - branding.  They do it better than anyone (including many civilian companies). 

Think of the memorable campaigns over the last 30 years (since the introduction of the all volunteer force): &#039;We&#039;re Looking for a Few Good Men&#039;; &#039;We Didn&#039;t Promise You A Rose Garden&#039;; &#039;The Marine Corps Builds Men&#039; and &#039;The Few. The Proud. The Marines&#039;.  The MC has spent a larger percentage of it&#039;s operating budget on MARCOM than any other service -- consistently -- for the last three decades to &#039;throw the gauntlet down&#039; to young men and women aged 16-30, asking the question &#039;are you good enough?&#039;.  This transcends economic boundaries, eclipses career goals -- it&#039;s become a litmus test for manhood. (My apologies to the women in our group - not trying to be chauvanistic, merely stating fact).

Marines volunteer and must qualify to be selected for recruiting  duty. Once selected they go through an exhaustive training regimen, attending sales courses (as you suggested) at the Xerox facility in Northern Virginia (and return there annually for refresher training)

Another reviewer brought up the challenge of attracting new recruits in light of the injuries and deaths resulting from the war.  As to how to deal with the spectre of death or injury -- that has actually been one of the most alluring parts of military service - for reasons unknown, 18 year olds new to manhood believe themselves to be invicible and indestructable - I know I did (learning since that time I&#039;m neither) - and welcome the opportunity to prove it to themselves, their friends and family.  Napoleon Bonaparte said &#039;Soldiers will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.&#039;   The Army tried to capitalize on this when Pat Tillman, a former NFL player who quit football to join the Army in the wake of 9-11, was killed in Afghanistan.  Initial reports of Tillman&#039;s heroics proved too good to be true when the Army reported that he&#039;d actually been killed by friendly fire.  Adding insult to injury, the Army admitted they knew about this from the outset, sitting back idly while the media churned out Audie Murphy-like stories of sacrifice, patriotism and service (and the Army profited in the form of an increased number of new recruits inspired by Tillman&#039;s sacrifice.) 
Partly due to this, the Army&#039;s credibility was dealt a serious blow.

Could the military benefit from the private sector providing subject matter expertise on recruiting? Perhaps in the form of an advisory panel to provide recommendations on best practice sharing among services, training/education, and branding.

We&#039;ll be in the Middle East region for some time to come, and I don&#039;t see how the Army will be able to fill the pipeline with enough new recruits to meet the demand, efforts of private sector SMEs notwithstanding.  Am sure the DoD brass in the Pentagon realize this -- could reinstatement of the draft be far away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Marine (is there such a thing?), wanted to point out that many of your suggestions are already in place in the Marine Corps Recruiting Command.  </p>
<p>The Marines have (yet again) met their recruiting goals for the year, and the Army came up short.  Why?  You touched on it in your article &#8211; branding.  They do it better than anyone (including many civilian companies). </p>
<p>Think of the memorable campaigns over the last 30 years (since the introduction of the all volunteer force): &#8216;We&#8217;re Looking for a Few Good Men&#8217;; &#8216;We Didn&#8217;t Promise You A Rose Garden&#8217;; &#8216;The Marine Corps Builds Men&#8217; and &#8216;The Few. The Proud. The Marines&#8217;.  The MC has spent a larger percentage of it&#8217;s operating budget on MARCOM than any other service &#8212; consistently &#8212; for the last three decades to &#8216;throw the gauntlet down&#8217; to young men and women aged 16-30, asking the question &#8216;are you good enough?&#8217;.  This transcends economic boundaries, eclipses career goals &#8212; it&#8217;s become a litmus test for manhood. (My apologies to the women in our group &#8211; not trying to be chauvanistic, merely stating fact).</p>
<p>Marines volunteer and must qualify to be selected for recruiting  duty. Once selected they go through an exhaustive training regimen, attending sales courses (as you suggested) at the Xerox facility in Northern Virginia (and return there annually for refresher training)</p>
<p>Another reviewer brought up the challenge of attracting new recruits in light of the injuries and deaths resulting from the war.  As to how to deal with the spectre of death or injury &#8212; that has actually been one of the most alluring parts of military service &#8211; for reasons unknown, 18 year olds new to manhood believe themselves to be invicible and indestructable &#8211; I know I did (learning since that time I&#8217;m neither) &#8211; and welcome the opportunity to prove it to themselves, their friends and family.  Napoleon Bonaparte said &#8216;Soldiers will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.&#8217;   The Army tried to capitalize on this when Pat Tillman, a former NFL player who quit football to join the Army in the wake of 9-11, was killed in Afghanistan.  Initial reports of Tillman&#8217;s heroics proved too good to be true when the Army reported that he&#8217;d actually been killed by friendly fire.  Adding insult to injury, the Army admitted they knew about this from the outset, sitting back idly while the media churned out Audie Murphy-like stories of sacrifice, patriotism and service (and the Army profited in the form of an increased number of new recruits inspired by Tillman&#8217;s sacrifice.)<br />
Partly due to this, the Army&#8217;s credibility was dealt a serious blow.</p>
<p>Could the military benefit from the private sector providing subject matter expertise on recruiting? Perhaps in the form of an advisory panel to provide recommendations on best practice sharing among services, training/education, and branding.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll be in the Middle East region for some time to come, and I don&#8217;t see how the Army will be able to fill the pipeline with enough new recruits to meet the demand, efforts of private sector SMEs notwithstanding.  Am sure the DoD brass in the Pentagon realize this &#8212; could reinstatement of the draft be far away?</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen Sharib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Sharib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://martinirepublic.com/

Much of what&#039;s wrong with the military is to be found in the upper ranks.  And I mean the upper upper ranks.  The one in charge.  Know what I mean? 

Fun facts about roman soldiers from a 4th grader&#039;s online report/maybe there are lessons in these?

The Roman soldier was a professional soldier. This means that he joined the army for 25 years and would be paid a salary. 

A part of his wages was paid in salt, hence the saying &#039;being worth your salt&#039; -- (a good worker).

The Roman Army was successful because it was better equipped and organised than any army had been before.

The Romans were so good at inventing things that they made the first machine gun - which could fire many bolts a minute. No-one invented another machine gun for over 1900 years!

As a professional soldier, he spent most of the time training and kept his uniform clean and smart. As well as being first class fighters, the legionaries were good engineers and craftsmen.

Interesting study:
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:SnjU_5RF3yoJ:www.belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/vandergriff/OtherOffSys.ppt+successful+armies&amp;hl=en</description>
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<p>Much of what&#8217;s wrong with the military is to be found in the upper ranks.  And I mean the upper upper ranks.  The one in charge.  Know what I mean? </p>
<p>Fun facts about roman soldiers from a 4th grader&#8217;s online report/maybe there are lessons in these?</p>
<p>The Roman soldier was a professional soldier. This means that he joined the army for 25 years and would be paid a salary. </p>
<p>A part of his wages was paid in salt, hence the saying &#8216;being worth your salt&#8217; &#8212; (a good worker).</p>
<p>The Roman Army was successful because it was better equipped and organised than any army had been before.</p>
<p>The Romans were so good at inventing things that they made the first machine gun &#8211; which could fire many bolts a minute. No-one invented another machine gun for over 1900 years!</p>
<p>As a professional soldier, he spent most of the time training and kept his uniform clean and smart. As well as being first class fighters, the legionaries were good engineers and craftsmen.</p>
<p>Interesting study:<br />
<a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:SnjU_5RF3yoJ:www.belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/vandergriff/OtherOffSys.ppt+successful+armies&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:SnjU_5RF3yoJ:www.belisarius.com/modern_business_strategy/vandergriff/OtherOffSys.ppt+successful+armies&#038;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Sivey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Sivey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that we are part of the political and military process.  I could swear that we work for companies and not the government.  Since when did we also swear allegiance to helping the military do their job?  I had no idea it was an inherent allegiance.  I guess I missed that part of the contract.  

Amazing.  Perhaps there&#039;s a reason they cannot fill their quota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that we are part of the political and military process.  I could swear that we work for companies and not the government.  Since when did we also swear allegiance to helping the military do their job?  I had no idea it was an inherent allegiance.  I guess I missed that part of the contract.  </p>
<p>Amazing.  Perhaps there&#8217;s a reason they cannot fill their quota.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly outstanding post by Dr Sullivan.  Having spent 13 successful years in Air Force recruiting including four years recuiting in  NYC during vietnam (CMSgt, USAF, ret) as well as the last 20 plus years as a headhunter, I fully endorse his ideas. Military recruiting would benefit tremendously from Dr Sullivan&#039;s inputs. 

I hope he &#039;CC&#039; Secretary Rumsfeld!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly outstanding post by Dr Sullivan.  Having spent 13 successful years in Air Force recruiting including four years recuiting in  NYC during vietnam (CMSgt, USAF, ret) as well as the last 20 plus years as a headhunter, I fully endorse his ideas. Military recruiting would benefit tremendously from Dr Sullivan&#8217;s inputs. </p>
<p>I hope he &#8216;CC&#8217; Secretary Rumsfeld!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Ott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Ott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Army Recruiter (1990-1993) I think that there is one point that that was not discussed.  Most military recruiters are &#039;Selected&#039; by their respective Military Departments, what this means is that they are yanked out of their career field and required to accept a three tour of duty as a recruiter.  While these men and women are some of the best in their respective fields, being a stellar Infantryman or Aviator does not mean that they will be an outstanding recruiter.  Only about 10% of recruiters actually volunteer for this difficult position, the rest get colunteered.  While some of them excel at the position, many are just biding their time and view their current position as a necessary evil to get back to the mainstream military and doing what they love to do.  The military does have a core professional recruiting force, people who stay in recruiting for the remainder of thei military careers, these are far outweighed by the folks who just want to go back to the &#039;real&#039; Military.  

The military could benefit from spending more time recruiting from within the people that will eventually be representing them on the street as Recruiters.  By finding and focusing in on which people become the best recruiters and redoubling their efforts on finding volunteers fromt the best performing groups, I think that many of the problems would be solved.  People who love what they do, do it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Army Recruiter (1990-1993) I think that there is one point that that was not discussed.  Most military recruiters are &#8216;Selected&#8217; by their respective Military Departments, what this means is that they are yanked out of their career field and required to accept a three tour of duty as a recruiter.  While these men and women are some of the best in their respective fields, being a stellar Infantryman or Aviator does not mean that they will be an outstanding recruiter.  Only about 10% of recruiters actually volunteer for this difficult position, the rest get colunteered.  While some of them excel at the position, many are just biding their time and view their current position as a necessary evil to get back to the mainstream military and doing what they love to do.  The military does have a core professional recruiting force, people who stay in recruiting for the remainder of thei military careers, these are far outweighed by the folks who just want to go back to the &#8216;real&#8217; Military.  </p>
<p>The military could benefit from spending more time recruiting from within the people that will eventually be representing them on the street as Recruiters.  By finding and focusing in on which people become the best recruiters and redoubling their efforts on finding volunteers fromt the best performing groups, I think that many of the problems would be solved.  People who love what they do, do it better.</p>
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