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	<title>Comments on: The Changing Face of Applicant Tracking</title>
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		<title>By: Martin Snyder</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2005/06/02/the-changing-face-of-applicant-tracking/comment-page-1/#comment-3862</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article as usual from Kevin.  I?m commenting on two topics-

From the article- ?A well-executed recruiting model assumes that matches are inexact and that candidates who meet the critical requirements but lack other requirements may be the preferred choice.? 

If that is the case, there are many poorly executed recruiting models out there- and how does this notion speak to the relative value of the artificial intelligence and fuzzy search technology that is often advertised as a silver bullet?   I think there remains a prevailing mindset that the person who best fits ?the requirements? is the best person for the job.   If ?the requirements? are difficult to reduce to words and testable standards, suspicion naturally grows about the actual operative selection criteria.   

There really is a cultural divide between TPR&#039;s and some corporate recruiters.  But there are many corporate recruiters either from the TPR world or naturally savvy who think like salespeople; and salespeople need CRM tools to reach their highest potential.   For people not selling or serving, CRM is not particularly useful.  

Second, on Kevin?s characterization of the ATS market as ?overcrowded?. 

Well, that may or may not be true.  It depends on where you believe the ATS is on a product lifecycle basis.  If it&#039;s early in the cycle, at the adaptation stage, the challenges are technology and reach; getting the product into the hands of the middle adapters as fast as possible.  There will be many competitors and many business models.  

If it&#039;s in the mass consumption stage of the market, the challenge is brand positioning, price strategy, and efficiency.   There will be fewer competitors, and competitors will have more clearly defined market niches.  

If it&#039;s in the mature stage, the challenge is complete cost control and successful passing of costs to customers while maintaining as much price power as possible.  There will be very few growing competitors and moderate merger and acquisition activity among existing competitors.  There will be few new competitors.  

If it&#039;s in the renewal / death phase, the business models are reinvented or superseded, by existing or new market entrants.   There will again be more competitors, newer competitors, and growing competitors as the new model or replacement technology takes over the market.  

A good argument could be made for any of the four lifecycle stages in today&#039;s ATS business.   Which is the actual situation ?   Is it really overcrowded ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article as usual from Kevin.  I?m commenting on two topics-</p>
<p>From the article- ?A well-executed recruiting model assumes that matches are inexact and that candidates who meet the critical requirements but lack other requirements may be the preferred choice.? </p>
<p>If that is the case, there are many poorly executed recruiting models out there- and how does this notion speak to the relative value of the artificial intelligence and fuzzy search technology that is often advertised as a silver bullet?   I think there remains a prevailing mindset that the person who best fits ?the requirements? is the best person for the job.   If ?the requirements? are difficult to reduce to words and testable standards, suspicion naturally grows about the actual operative selection criteria.   </p>
<p>There really is a cultural divide between TPR&#8217;s and some corporate recruiters.  But there are many corporate recruiters either from the TPR world or naturally savvy who think like salespeople; and salespeople need CRM tools to reach their highest potential.   For people not selling or serving, CRM is not particularly useful.  </p>
<p>Second, on Kevin?s characterization of the ATS market as ?overcrowded?. </p>
<p>Well, that may or may not be true.  It depends on where you believe the ATS is on a product lifecycle basis.  If it&#8217;s early in the cycle, at the adaptation stage, the challenges are technology and reach; getting the product into the hands of the middle adapters as fast as possible.  There will be many competitors and many business models.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s in the mass consumption stage of the market, the challenge is brand positioning, price strategy, and efficiency.   There will be fewer competitors, and competitors will have more clearly defined market niches.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s in the mature stage, the challenge is complete cost control and successful passing of costs to customers while maintaining as much price power as possible.  There will be very few growing competitors and moderate merger and acquisition activity among existing competitors.  There will be few new competitors.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s in the renewal / death phase, the business models are reinvented or superseded, by existing or new market entrants.   There will again be more competitors, newer competitors, and growing competitors as the new model or replacement technology takes over the market.  </p>
<p>A good argument could be made for any of the four lifecycle stages in today&#8217;s ATS business.   Which is the actual situation ?   Is it really overcrowded ?</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri Boylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitri Boylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Wheeler hits the nail on the head!  Back in ?95 we were in the brutal NYC Headhunting business and all our applicants were passive job seekers.  I would stay in touch with some people for 2 or 3 years before getting a resume.  Applicants and Hiring Managers became interchangeable ? they were all important people who knew other important people.  No applicant tracking system could serve our business model so we built our own on the Internet using Netscape 1.0 for the UI. We put a job board on the end of it and later carved out some of the functionality to create HotJob.com, and a commercial ATS called Softshoe.  Softshoe went on the win Comdex ?98 because there were so few enterprise level apps running on Netscape 1.0   and delivering what is now the common navigation abilities of a browser, but the real beauty of the system could only be appreciated by a hard core headhunter, someone who knew that relationships drove their business. But HotJobs growth eclipsed our software business and we stopped selling the application, but there are remnants of our model still in the software today. As someone pointed out, to some extent recruiters a better off using their Outlook and Google Desktop Search than a rigid resume based ATS at this point in time.  Unfortunately, serious agencies and recruiting departments need enterprise level control, storage, and workflow that the desktop approach does not provide. Most importantly, by putting the relationships into a system, we moved a lot of knowledge from the individual recruiters into the company as a whole, reducing the impact of turnover in our own staff on revenue generation. We doubled our number of placements within 6 months of implementation. That was a long time ago, but the fact remains ? it?s all about who you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Wheeler hits the nail on the head!  Back in ?95 we were in the brutal NYC Headhunting business and all our applicants were passive job seekers.  I would stay in touch with some people for 2 or 3 years before getting a resume.  Applicants and Hiring Managers became interchangeable ? they were all important people who knew other important people.  No applicant tracking system could serve our business model so we built our own on the Internet using Netscape 1.0 for the UI. We put a job board on the end of it and later carved out some of the functionality to create HotJob.com, and a commercial ATS called Softshoe.  Softshoe went on the win Comdex ?98 because there were so few enterprise level apps running on Netscape 1.0   and delivering what is now the common navigation abilities of a browser, but the real beauty of the system could only be appreciated by a hard core headhunter, someone who knew that relationships drove their business. But HotJobs growth eclipsed our software business and we stopped selling the application, but there are remnants of our model still in the software today. As someone pointed out, to some extent recruiters a better off using their Outlook and Google Desktop Search than a rigid resume based ATS at this point in time.  Unfortunately, serious agencies and recruiting departments need enterprise level control, storage, and workflow that the desktop approach does not provide. Most importantly, by putting the relationships into a system, we moved a lot of knowledge from the individual recruiters into the company as a whole, reducing the impact of turnover in our own staff on revenue generation. We doubled our number of placements within 6 months of implementation. That was a long time ago, but the fact remains ? it?s all about who you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this article is an interesting snapshot of what is going on within the US ATS market, it misses the whole point of what has been happening in Europe.  With much stronger labour laws concerning firstly privacy of candidate data and secondly making it much harder for organisations to donwsize, European organisations have by necessity focussed more energy on quality of hire and long-standing candidate relationships than US counterparts.  To support this European ATS systems have been built on both criteria - administrative fluency and high touch candidate experience.  How about looking a little bit wider?

In addition, European recruitment is often focussed away from resumes.  Many European companies recruit on more varied processes, often using a multitude of different forms or methods of application to meet the needs of the candidate pool.  While this may not be 100% useful for US organisations, it certainly deserves examination by US corporate recruiters as alternative (perhaps more candidate-friendly) ways of moving candidates into your hiring process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this article is an interesting snapshot of what is going on within the US ATS market, it misses the whole point of what has been happening in Europe.  With much stronger labour laws concerning firstly privacy of candidate data and secondly making it much harder for organisations to donwsize, European organisations have by necessity focussed more energy on quality of hire and long-standing candidate relationships than US counterparts.  To support this European ATS systems have been built on both criteria &#8211; administrative fluency and high touch candidate experience.  How about looking a little bit wider?</p>
<p>In addition, European recruitment is often focussed away from resumes.  Many European companies recruit on more varied processes, often using a multitude of different forms or methods of application to meet the needs of the candidate pool.  While this may not be 100% useful for US organisations, it certainly deserves examination by US corporate recruiters as alternative (perhaps more candidate-friendly) ways of moving candidates into your hiring process.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Huffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Huffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, I think the points re: the traditional ATS are very valid.  We have tried a few of these ATS and ultimately found that the most effective for our model of relationship driven executive search was the office 2003 w/ business contact manager coupled with the new desktop search features by both Yahoo and Google (which are currently free) for searching on resumes, candidate notes and e-mails</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I think the points re: the traditional ATS are very valid.  We have tried a few of these ATS and ultimately found that the most effective for our model of relationship driven executive search was the office 2003 w/ business contact manager coupled with the new desktop search features by both Yahoo and Google (which are currently free) for searching on resumes, candidate notes and e-mails</p>
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