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		<title>By: Steven Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2004/10/11/mama-dont-let-your-babies-grow-up-to-be-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
Don&#039;t let &#039;em pick people and report to HR
Make &#039;em learn to program and then they?ll go far

Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
They&#039;ll never be valued they?ll never be right
Yet they?ll forever be sourcing the Internet at night

Recruiters ain&#039;t easy to love and they?re easier to blame
By hiring managers whose interviewing styles are so lame
AIRS Certifications and SPHR titles are nice
But try tellin? them managers their specs are all wrong
And if you ain?t fired right there you?ll be so next ?morn

Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
Don&#039;t let &#039;em pick people and report to HR
Make &#039;em learn to program and then they?ll go far

Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
They&#039;ll never be valued they?ll never be right
Yet they?ll forever be sourcing the Internet at night

Recruiters like metrics - efficiency and quality make sense
They spend days and months re-engineering the hiring process
Asking Shally for flowcharts and checking their thoughts
against others who post on ERE
Then Doc John writes an article that says ?cruiters are just bourgeoisie

Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
Don&#039;t let &#039;em pick people and report to HR
Make &#039;em learn to program and then they?ll go far

Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
They&#039;ll never be valued they?ll never be right
Yet they?ll forever be sourcing the Internet at night

Mama don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters
Don&#039;t let &#039;em pick people and report to HR
Make &#039;em learn to program and then they?ll go far&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;You can read the original article &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/9EE536697486453CB5C1656EE013C8A6.asp&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Post your own Article Review&lt;BR&gt;http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&amp;cid={E42C46B9-11EE-4EB7-BB9A-E3609358F027} &lt;BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
Don&#8217;t let &#8216;em pick people and report to HR<br />
Make &#8216;em learn to program and then they?ll go far</p>
<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
They&#8217;ll never be valued they?ll never be right<br />
Yet they?ll forever be sourcing the Internet at night</p>
<p>Recruiters ain&#8217;t easy to love and they?re easier to blame<br />
By hiring managers whose interviewing styles are so lame<br />
AIRS Certifications and SPHR titles are nice<br />
But try tellin? them managers their specs are all wrong<br />
And if you ain?t fired right there you?ll be so next ?morn</p>
<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
Don&#8217;t let &#8216;em pick people and report to HR<br />
Make &#8216;em learn to program and then they?ll go far</p>
<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
They&#8217;ll never be valued they?ll never be right<br />
Yet they?ll forever be sourcing the Internet at night</p>
<p>Recruiters like metrics &#8211; efficiency and quality make sense<br />
They spend days and months re-engineering the hiring process<br />
Asking Shally for flowcharts and checking their thoughts<br />
against others who post on ERE<br />
Then Doc John writes an article that says ?cruiters are just bourgeoisie</p>
<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
Don&#8217;t let &#8216;em pick people and report to HR<br />
Make &#8216;em learn to program and then they?ll go far</p>
<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
They&#8217;ll never be valued they?ll never be right<br />
Yet they?ll forever be sourcing the Internet at night</p>
<p>Mama don&#8217;t let your babies grow up to be ?cruiters<br />
Don&#8217;t let &#8216;em pick people and report to HR<br />
Make &#8216;em learn to program and then they?ll go far</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Hilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.ere.net/2004/10/11/mama-dont-let-your-babies-grow-up-to-be-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-554</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Hilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan&#039;s articles are always intelligent and often provocative. This article is laced with nuggets of brilliance and land mines that assuredly will blow-up lower body parts if attempts are made to implement in a conservative major corporation.

There&#039;s one section that could add significant value to our staffing organization if it the quantification could be accepted by our CFO.

&#039;Hiring great people is the value recruiters add to the corporation. If you quantify the dollar impact of hiring, it often exceeds the ROI of any other investment in the CFO&#039;s portfolio.&#039;

We have tried &#039;# of vacant position days x EPS per day per employee, extrapolated this to include operating income and revenue. This seemed viable to us; however, it was dismissed by the CPAs for solid reasons. In heavy manufacturing, there?s not a one-to-one correlation of employee to revenue. Second, in administrative functions such as IT, Accounting and HR, we have not been able to find a viable ratio to revenue that CPAs will accept as valid. 

When we try to use a quality index of replacement employee productivity gain/loss, again, these are viewed as somewhat subjective and &#039;soft&#039; numbers. Even though we will do over $50 billion this year in revenue, we do not have a direct sales department per say.

Having spent a major part of my career in revenue and operations management, it&#039;s easy to quantify real value in such areas. When managing sales teams, revenue generated per employee minus complete employee costs including G&amp;A expenses, would provide a fairly irrefutable profit/loss number per employee. From that perspective, I also would look down on the ROI numbers I&#039;m now presenting in support of recruiting as &#039;soft&#039; numbers.

If anyone has any irrefutable &#039;hard&#039; ROI number calculations that could validate Sullivan&#039;s statement, &#039;If you quantify the dollar impact of hiring, it often exceeds the ROI of any other investment in the CFO&#039;s portfolio,&#039; and be accepted by our CPAs and our CFO - that would be Christmas come early for us. In recruiting, we all know the real impact of quality hiring, of lost productivity due to vacant position days and the competitive edge of a company that possesses a market leading employee talent base. Quantifying that value to conservative finance executives is eluding us at this time. All help is appreciated.

Thanks very much,
Dan
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan&#8217;s articles are always intelligent and often provocative. This article is laced with nuggets of brilliance and land mines that assuredly will blow-up lower body parts if attempts are made to implement in a conservative major corporation.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one section that could add significant value to our staffing organization if it the quantification could be accepted by our CFO.</p>
<p>&#8216;Hiring great people is the value recruiters add to the corporation. If you quantify the dollar impact of hiring, it often exceeds the ROI of any other investment in the CFO&#8217;s portfolio.&#8217;</p>
<p>We have tried &#8216;# of vacant position days x EPS per day per employee, extrapolated this to include operating income and revenue. This seemed viable to us; however, it was dismissed by the CPAs for solid reasons. In heavy manufacturing, there?s not a one-to-one correlation of employee to revenue. Second, in administrative functions such as IT, Accounting and HR, we have not been able to find a viable ratio to revenue that CPAs will accept as valid. </p>
<p>When we try to use a quality index of replacement employee productivity gain/loss, again, these are viewed as somewhat subjective and &#8216;soft&#8217; numbers. Even though we will do over $50 billion this year in revenue, we do not have a direct sales department per say.</p>
<p>Having spent a major part of my career in revenue and operations management, it&#8217;s easy to quantify real value in such areas. When managing sales teams, revenue generated per employee minus complete employee costs including G&#038;A expenses, would provide a fairly irrefutable profit/loss number per employee. From that perspective, I also would look down on the ROI numbers I&#8217;m now presenting in support of recruiting as &#8216;soft&#8217; numbers.</p>
<p>If anyone has any irrefutable &#8216;hard&#8217; ROI number calculations that could validate Sullivan&#8217;s statement, &#8216;If you quantify the dollar impact of hiring, it often exceeds the ROI of any other investment in the CFO&#8217;s portfolio,&#8217; and be accepted by our CPAs and our CFO &#8211; that would be Christmas come early for us. In recruiting, we all know the real impact of quality hiring, of lost productivity due to vacant position days and the competitive edge of a company that possesses a market leading employee talent base. Quantifying that value to conservative finance executives is eluding us at this time. All help is appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks very much,<br />
Dan</p>
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		<title>By: D'anthony Tillery</title>
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		<dc:creator>D'anthony Tillery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A terrific article that speaks directly to the issue facing the vast majority of our recruiters.  As a result of this article, I am sharing it with our recruiters nation wide and will continue to work with our staffs to adhere to some of the suggestions listed. Thank you for an outstanding article.

&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;You can read the original article &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/9EE536697486453CB5C1656EE013C8A6.asp&quot;&gt;here&lt;/A&gt; &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Post your own Article Review&lt;BR&gt;http://www.erexchange.com/p/g.asp?d=M&amp;cid={C9023235-6D9E-4E93-8A75-58B5236AFA00} &lt;BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A terrific article that speaks directly to the issue facing the vast majority of our recruiters.  As a result of this article, I am sharing it with our recruiters nation wide and will continue to work with our staffs to adhere to some of the suggestions listed. Thank you for an outstanding article.</p>
<p>You can read the original article <a HREF="http://www.erexchange.com/articles/db/9EE536697486453CB5C1656EE013C8A6.asp">here</a> </p>
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